User talk:HopeChrist
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[edit] An Autobiography of a Person in the Spirit
Another editor has added the {{prod}} template to the article An Autobiography of a Person in the Spirit, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the {{prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. BJBot (talk) 23:59, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- I see no links to the deletion discussion - either active or resolved! IMO the article should be kept based on my initial perusal. It is definitely notable and quite salvageable. Please let me know if there is an active discussion about this. Slofstra (talk) 15:56, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Watchman Nee
Regarding your contributions to Wikipedia about books by Watchman Nee:
My reason for deleting them was not that they do not meet our criteria for notability. In fact, based on our article on Mr Nee, it would be most appropriate for us to have articles about his books. However, what you submitted were...
...this is difficult to say. Your submissions were not coherent. They were so far from our recommended style for articles about books that I felt they could not be salvaged, and that the best solution was to delete them and start over.
I strongly suggest that you spend some more time reading our articles on other books, so as to get a better feel for the recommended style. I apologize for any hurt feelings this may have caused, but since you respect Mr Nee so much, you should understand how to properly document his books. DS (talk) 02:24, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] The Economy of God
Why did you add the inappropriate tone tag to this article that you have almost entirely written yourself? Could you explain it on the Talk:The Economy of God? Thanks.Brian0324 (talk) 14:03, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] About Watchman Nee
Hello HopeChrist,
Thank you for the personal message. I attempted to respond to most of your points on the Talk:Watchman Nee page. I am not an expert on Nee, nor do my edits reflect anything other than an adherence to Wikipedia policy regarding neutrality. I did remove several things that you added to the article about Watchman Nee, but these were apparently un-sourced opinions about him. I did not add any of my own POV to the article, but your contributions must be sourced and attributed properly so that the subject that you are so interested in can be presented in a fair and reliable way.
I'm not sure if I understand everything that you wrote to me, but I respect your civility and openness. I do not assume that someone in the Local Church is a cultist & I make no assumptions about your character. As with everyone on Wikipedia, our contributions speak for themselves and I think that it is easy to recognize how our faith motivates our work in some way. But my goal is to present the story of Christianity in China in a reliable and verifiable way that can be appreciated by anyone. When I see articles that display a Christian bias, I do attempt to bring them into conformity with Wikipedia's standards of neutrality - so that they can be better understood by Christian and non-Christian alike. All the best.Brian0324 (talk) 21:51, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Changes to Indian Christianity Wikiproject/workgroup
Upon discussion and consensus ( see here) , The following changes and decisions were taken w.r.t to Indian Christianity workgroup :-
- The scope of workgroup will be limited to Indian region only for now.
- The workgroup will be renamed to Christianity in India instead of Indian Christianity.
- The changes will effect the project pages, Portal and the templates.
- The templetes will be replaced by a Indian map instead of Tricolor flag picture.
This is FYI - Tinucherian (talk) 04:50, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] HopeChrist
You are one of the very few sold-out Christians writing on this site. If you go to many of the other WikiChristianity editors' User pages, you'll find many self-proclaimed, "Christians," whose lifestyles all are wildly off the tracks (of the Holy Scriptures). So, I'll look forward to writing and editing with you. Canihaveacookie(talk)
No.2 Wow! Praise the Lord! I was doing something on Wikipedia, and your message to me showed up on my screen. I got it minutes after you'd sent it, though my computer clock time is five hours behind your time. I'd forgotten I'd written to you. Thanks for writing back. While my "expertise" on certain subjects of interest to Christians isn't as extensive as yours, my expertise is in research, writing and editing. In Christ, Canihaveacookie(talk) 19:55, April 29, 2008 (UTC)
No.3 Brother, watch out for the wolves in sheep's clothing on Wikipedia. They are the ones who may even say they're "Christians" after they've "edited" you, though they might only be religious. But, I think they are on our pages just to neuter the truth and the glorious Gospel. However, here's a good word of advice. Even if it takes you extra time and zaps your strength, please source and cite every idea you put into an article. That way nobody who has a clear conscience would speak against your work and say it's just your personal opinion you're writing, because in truth it would either be the author's view or a quotation/view from one of the author's subjects you would be referencing, not your own opinion. In Christ, Canihaveacookie(talk) 0:02, May 1, 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Christian Conventions - Trinity
Here is my take. I've never heard a worker in my 28 years claim Jesus was "only a Man". It is a difficult issue. One of the things about this movement is that you will see some differences of opinion in Biblical interpretation because, to be honest, the Bible is not always clear on every point we can ask about. Although it is clear on what we need to know, and the following is clear. So, yes, Jesus is God. Workers have said that. However, there is no specific teaching on the Trinity - even though the workers believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. Are you interested in putting the question up on Truth Meeting Board (Google it) and see what develops? You'll get answers from people professing in the movement, also anti- movement types. If you like I'll post the question for you, but it can be done anonymously. Incidentally, that board is a zoo - do not be alarmed. Of course, so is wikipedia :) Slofstra (talk) 15:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] the Word fundamentalism
Dear Kevin, I saw that you removed the catg: Christian fundamentalism from the articles such as Local churches, Watchman Nee, and several others, based on the assumption that a "fundamentalism doped" article should contain at least one mention of the word fundamental or its derived. Well, I don't know much about the other groups and people, but I do think that the above three article I mentioned falls under the criteria C. F (appropriately, if you read them).
The another thing I wanted to say is that, Say, if I add a paragraph in these articles and use the word "fundamentalism" in some sense then the article becomes suitable under the cat: Christian Fundamentalism. How silly is this, Kevin!! Let's give a thought on this and reply me with what your understandings are regarding the inclusion of articles on wikipedia under the category "C. F".
Ya, I just want to discuss this (minor but important), otherwise I have no other reason writing on your page or some duty to put these articles on the catg: C. F. Please give it thought! Thanks. HopeChrist (talk) 17:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Hello, HopeChrist. It is good to write to you.
After reading the articles, I agree that Local churches or Watchman Nee are fundamentalist in the sense of "affirming the fundamentals of the Christian faith". However, in the United States, "fundamentalism" has become a perjorative term. It still has the meaning of "affirming the fundamentals of the Christian faith", but this is secondary to the meaning of "an aggressive ... religious movement which, in coalition with ... political forces, seeks to combat what is regarded as the ... takeover of the state, family and church...." (quote from Fundamentalist Christianity#New fundamentalist)
I agree with you that it would be silly if the sole criteria of whether an article should be a part of Category:Christian fundamentalism is whether it has "fundamentalism" or "fundamentalist" in the body of the article. However, because of their perjorative meanings, "fundamentalism" or "fundamentalist" have become terms that require explanation. An article on Watchman Nee would have to answer the questions, "Is Watchman Nee a fundamentalist?" and "What type of fundamentalist is Watchman Nee? A theological fundamentalist? A political fundamentalist?" If I see an article in Category:Christian fundamentalism without this explanation, I assume (sometimes incorrectly) it is used in the perjorative sense and remove it.
These are my understandings about catg: C. F. What are your thoughts?
P.S.: I have put a copy of this on my talk page and your talk page. Because this discussion helps catg: C. F. and Wikipedia as a whole, I have also added this to the category's talk page. I will try to keep the three synchronized.
-- Kevinkor2 (talk) 09:57, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Your Kind Words
Brother: Thanks for writing me. I just got your message. It's two minutes to midnight here. I must go to sleep. So, I'll write to you later. Pray for me. I have tests at a hospital tomorrow. Sorry, I deleted my "talk" page. I'll explain to you later. Canihaveacookie 23:58, June 4, 2008 (UTC)
As of today, I've relisted my "Talk" page link on the Wiki Christianity Members' page. However, I didn't realize that I hadn't really deleted the "Talk" page fully in the first place. Canihaveacookie (Talk) 18:57, June 5, 2008 (UTC)
Brother in Christ, The Lord Jesus Christ has seen to it that I need no further testing and that I need nothing beyond these tests to ensure my health and/or my life. I am from the continental United States. This means that I live on the continent of North America, versus living in Hawaii or in Alaska. Also, the person who is trying to say that God's Trinity is difficult to prove has never read about or forgotten about reading Jesus' baptism in the Jordan River. It was recorded that after the baptism God the Father spoke, and at least some onlookers heard it, and the Holy Spirit alighted on Jesus' shoulder in the form of a dove (Matt. 3:13-17). If that isn't a very clear narrative of God's Trinity, I don't know what else is. Canihaveacookie (Talk) 20:46, June 6, 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Living Stream Ministry
I see that you have been part of an edit war at the article Living Stream Ministry, where you and another user have been reverting the same content back and forth in and out of the article. This is useless because any user can use the history at any time to go back to an older version. Please read Wikipedia:Edit war to understand why it is ultimately a pointless exercise, and the problems that can come from engaging in it. You have tried to use the article talk page and the other user's talk page, but not successfully. There are other tacks that you can and should try before reverting repeatedly. Possibilities include requesting a third opinion (for 2 editor disputes), asking at a relevant wikiproject's talk page for additional eyes, or a request for comment. I've protected the article for a week, hopefully the two of you will come to an agreement sooner than that. GRBerry 21:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Angrygirl
Brother, I've never heard of the person with this moniker, nor seen his/her work (sic). Yet, I will look out for him/her. We both know he/she needs Jesus Christ. Amen! Canihaveacookie (Talk) 23:15, June 9, 2008 (UTC)
