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Contents 1 Grammar 2 Removal of Boston Latin 2.1 Stop it 2.2 Oldest Claim 3 Split off history section?

[edit] Grammar

"Hopkins was founded ... with a part of Edward Hopkins estate" doesn't make sense to me. First of all, since "the estate" belonged to Edward Hopkins it should be "Edward Hopkins' estate" surely? Secondly, do you mean it was built on his land or using some of the money left in his will? --kingboyk 15:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll go add the possessive in right now, and it means money from his will. Staxringold 15:42, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

"with funds from" is much better, thank you. --kingboyk 15:46, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of Boston Latin

Sometime between now and the time this article was added to the front page, someone changed "Second oldest school in continuous existance" to "third-oldest" and added in Boston Latin. While Boston Latin was founded in 1635, making it older than either Roxbury Latin or Hopkins, there was a period during the revolutionary war when it shut down, making it not eligible for "oldest school in continuous existance" [1]. While I have no idea whether the statement that Hopkins is the second-oldest, I know that it is not behind Boston Latin. demeteloaf (talk) 05:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for that reversion as it is precisely correct. The claim to fame Hopkins always makes is it's continued existence, as there are quite a few schools physically founded before Hopkins. Staxringold _talk^contribs 05:40, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

It's strange that this fact is subject to so much changing, as it's quite clearly true. Anyway, we'll just keeping educating the editors I suppose. Harro5 02:03, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stop it

This is insane guys, and is not my personal opinion or whining it's a simple of matter of fact. Adding Boston Latin to the list is incorrect as the list is of schools in continuous operation. In addition, if you want to remove that clause that brings in a host of other schools. That is not the notable fact agewise. Altering this fact, especially in such a way that misrepresents facts (like listing Boston Latin as continously operating) is vandalism, and will be reverted as such. Staxringold _talk^contribs 02:48, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Assume good faith :) SandBoxer 21:51, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oldest Claim

Sorry to rile you up, but I feel that if the sentence was causing so much of a stir (I corrected a sentence which you consider to be factually incorrect, anyhow), a more generic sentence could have been more helpful. That you prefer Hopkins to be called the "second-oldest school in continuous existence in north america" instead of "one of the oldest educational institutions in the country" puzzles me. Roxbury has virtually trademarked the phrase "oldest school in continuous existence in North America." Administrators at Roxbury pretty much made up that phrase so that they could get around the fact that Boston Latin and Collegiate were actually founded before Roxbury, but they still wanted to be oldest in something -- have some claim to fame. I have not seen the claim anywhere on Hopkins literature or on its website, nor is it substantiated in any reference. To claim to be the "second-oldest in continuous existence" is sort of trivial and inconsequential anyway: second place isn't always noteworthy. It just sounds petty, forcing a mention about a continuously opened streak rather than just admiring Hopkins long record of success. You've got to see the forest for the trees here.

If Hopkins had a high-ranking in both, I could see where you're coming from, but it's only in the running for continuous existence. That's the "notable" fact here. -MBlume 06:03, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

It was my understanding that Boston's English High School was the oldest high school in the country, having been founded in 1822. No? Caligi 01:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

No. Many schools trump 1822 in terms of age. The point made here most eloquently by MBlume is that the important fact for Hopkins (the correct state of the article) is the fact currently present, second oldest continuously operational. Staxringold _talk^contribs 01:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

My bad, English is the oldest public high school in the country.Caligi 02:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, now that I have no idea on. Staxringold _talk^contribs 02:15, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Split off history section?

The history section is rather large and I think it should be split into a separate article. Any comments? I'll do it sometime if no one objects. worthawholebean _talk^contribs 01:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

• The history section was the key feature of the FAC and was approved in it's current form in said FAC. It's long, but not nearly long or notable enough to warrant it's own article IMO. Staxringold _talk^contribs 01:33, 3 March 2007 (UTC)