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[edit] Info

Hello, Hong Qi Gong. I guess you already know that the professor at Asia University was sued by a victim of the Nanking massacre for libel, and the Tokyo district's verdict stated that "the quality of the defendant's work which is a rebuttal against Chang's book is poor in academy and filled with trivia. I think the reaction in Japan also should include the info along with all the Japanese professors mentioned on the article who are engaging in a ultra right-wing committee in Japan. --Appletrees (talk) 22:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I was not aware of that actually. I still think it does a huge disservice to the readers to use right wing critics and not mention that some of them go as far as to deny that the massacre even happened. I am not sure how to reach a compromise with User:Saintjust though. It seems to me he only wants to inflate the article with any and all criticism he can find, no matter how trivial, and no matter that some of them may violate WP:UNDUE. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 07:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Fujioka Nobukatsu (藤岡信勝), Higashinakano Shudo (東中野修道) They are members of Japanese Society for History Textbook Reform and Prof. Fujioka is even the vice president of the comittee. Here are links regarding the lawsuit. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
Well, the editor has been very "famous" for his writings on Korean related articles as well. The article of Secretary-General of UN, Ban Ki-moon is one of his long-term favorites [6] and is a featured article too. In the example of Ijime[7] article (of course deleted), his behavioral pattern is too transparent. Anyway, I think you can gather more opinions from editors possibly interested in the subject as you post a note to get a help at military, history, and East Asia wiki project groups. --12:02, 28 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Appletrees (talk • contribs)

[edit] Black slaves in Tang Dynasty

I have read the above article before. The book Snow, Philip. The Star Raft: China's Encounter With Africa. Cornell Univ. Press, 1989 (ISBN 0801495830) mentions the import of east African slaves by Arab traders during the Tang-Song Dynasties. These slaves were called (along with Southeast Asians) "Kun-lun", a generic term used to classify all dark-skinned people. It says the Tang Chinese believed the African slaves had supernatural strength, were great swimmers, and their black skin was actually a magic black salve that could cure diseases. But Song Chinese later learned they were only scared mortal men who were kidnapped from their homeland and forced to into slavery in China. Only the richest Chinese own these slaves.

I have not read it myself, but there is also the journal article The Magical Kunlun and "Devil Slaves": Chinese Perceptions of Dark-skinned People and Africa before 1500 (The linked article is just a summary of the actual research paper). I hope this helps. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 07:24, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Interesting. I'll save that link and read it when I have the time. Thanks. If I ever gather enough information that I think we can create an article out of it, I'll ask you and User:PericlesofAthens to help. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 07:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More CJKV Dab's and "青山"

Hello, HongQiGong,

I created 7 more CJKV DAB's so far this year: 神, 酒, 餅, 蹴鞠, 中山, 玄米茶, 日本橋‎.

As you should know, we have a new DAB guideline at WP:DAB#Disambiguation of CJKV character names. However, since we don't have a project page yet (for a task force), I'm keeping track of all DAB's I create (or find) at User:Endroit/Chinese characters. I'll be putting additional new ones there, so please keep checking there, and make corrections to the DAB's.

Also, I'm going through a list of districts in Tokyo, and will be creating either a redirect or a Dab for each one. But then I came across Aoyama, Tokyo (青山), for which we have a DAB already at Aoyama. However I also discovered Castle Peak, Hong Kong, which is also "青山". How do you suggest we handle the Dab for 青山?--Endroit (talk) 21:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't actually don't want to go around creating DAB and redirect pages with Chinese-character names. But I am not opposed to you doing it. I'm more on board to maintain the existing pages that have been created and making DAB or redirect pages out of pages with Chinese-character titles. My attitude was really more along the lines of "well the page has been created, it doesn't really need to be deleted." Because let's be honest, this task is monumental and I have a feeling we'd eventually reach a point where there would be major opposition to the existence of pages with Chinese-character names.
As for creating the page 青山 - I would suggest if you are to create the page, to stick with subjects whose names are exactly "青山", and not "xxx青山" or "青山xxx", etc. It's not an uncommon name in both Chinese and Japanese (not sure about Korean), and it could get very long to include everything with the word "青山" in its name. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 23:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Anyway, if you are interested in creating a comprehensive DAB page for "青山", here are some China/Chinese related articles to include:

There are also places and people that don't have articles yet, and it's probably the same for Japan-related topics. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 00:34, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for all of your valuable advices. I believe it's mostly people like me living outside, trying to learn about East Asian cultures and languages, who find such DAB's and links useful. (And I think it's mostly native speakers like you, who end up fixing these things later.) I'll do the best to do what I can, and keep everybody informed.
As long as all existing rules are diligently followed, and as long as our encyclopedic integrity is sustained, there's no reason to expect the worst. The Chinese named DAB's exist, only due to a logical corollary (WP:DAB#Disambiguation of CJKV character names) to the WP:UE rule recommending redirects from foreign scripts (WP:UE#Include alternatives). I don't forsee these being successfully challenged.
I'll work on 青山 in a few days, and then let you know again. I intend to combine your list with the Aoyama Dab (and check zh:青山 & ja:青山), and then omit some people names. Thank you again.--Endroit (talk) 01:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Best way to learn is probably force yourself to read Japanese WP itself. (or Chinese or Korean, be that the case)  ;-) Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 01:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

By the way, zh:青山 is probably incomplete. Run a search for "青山" at zh and there are articles that are not included in that DAB page.[8] Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 01:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I just created 青山‎. I have some serious questions as to whether "Qīngshān" or "Tsing Shan" is a more appropriate transliteration of 青山 (Hong Kong), but I believe the dab reflects only what's being said in the articles. In any case, please make corrections as you see fit. Thank you very much.--Endroit (talk) 19:50, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Welcome to the "wonderful" world of Chinese romanisation (incidently another reason that CJKV DAB is useful, beyond distinguishing between East Asian languages). Qīngshān is the correct pinyin of the term. Tsing Shan is probably from an older romanisation method and the spelling probably just stuck because it's been popularised - that seems to be the case for many names of places in Hong Kong, and there's no apparent effort to change these names to any official and modern romanisation, unlike in mainland China where everything eventually went to pinyin. Then of course, the Taiwanese don't like to use pinyin for romanisation, and many places in Hong Kong are romanised for Cantonese instead of Mandarin. These kinds of romanisation discrepancies happen right here in English WP, too. For example, "Nanking Massacre" is the most common English name, but using official romanisation (pinyin), it should really be "Nanjing Massacre". And I remember there was a user sometime ago that wanted to move Guangzhou to "Canton". etc etc. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 20:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Looking at how things are done in Switzerland-related articles, Geneva, Zürich, and Basel appear to have redirects from alternate names as much as possible, from 4 or 5 languages. I don't think there's any specific policy about that in WP:CH for Swiss names, but WP:MOS-ZH#Cantonese appears to allow for additional romanizations. I'm sure English wikipedia readers would be interested in also seeing Cantonese romanizations for the Hong Kong-related articles, as well as pinyin and any other common romanizations. But I'll stay out of that discussion. I think dab's should just reflect the Chinese romanizations suggested in the target articles.--Endroit (talk) 22:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lori Piestewa

Good call. Badagnani (talk) 08:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

Since you are an established user, I won't give you a template warning, but I did notice that you are up to 3RR on Template:History of China. Please strongly consider taking things to the talk page or risk getting the template locked, or even risk temporarily loosing your editing privileges. Thanks.-Andrew c [talk] 22:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Macau

Hi? Macau is currently on the FAC page. I would like to invite you to give me some opinions/advices and vote so that the article of Macau can improve more. For me I also voted and gave my comment in the article of Octopus Card. Thanks for your attention! Coloane (talk) 18:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure thing. I'll do that later when I have some time to give the article a thorough read. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! hopefully you can go there and take a look soonest. Coloane (talk) 14:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your some corrections on the page of Macau. If possible, please give me your opinion and vote over there. Thanks! Coloane (talk) 19:55, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Hong Kong

Hi HongQiGong, I am going to nominate Portal:Hong Kong as a feature portal. If possible, would you please kindly address and follow up any problem raised by voters over there? thanks for your attention!!! Coloane (talk) 00:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

It's really not ready for Featured status. But go ahead and try if you like. Make sure you notify WikiProject Hong Kong. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 00:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Excuse me, but can you do that for me because at this time I am busy(not very busy) and also I am concentrated on Macau? please notify Wikiproject Hong Kong and go that page and follow up in case any voter give any harsh comment. I personally think that the Portal: Hong Kong is more than enough to be nominated. I don't understand why did you think that it is not ready for nomination. Coloane (talk) 00:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Can you provide me a rationale WHY the McDonald picture is important? Remember that a featured portal should "showcases only high-quality content that is preferably already featured". As I said in the nomination, that McDonald is not of any particular importance. Your revert is discouraging and frowned upon because you failed to acknowledge me or nominator before you proceed to revert it. OhanaUnitedTalk page 21:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Like I said on your talk page[9], that picture was already put up for 20 days for the month of January. What was the reason for switching it? Because you alone decided it was not a good picture? If you want to talk about importance, then let me ask, how many people in the world know what McDonald's is, and how many know who Joey Yung is? You criticise my revert, but I don't see you discussing with the editor who put up the McDonald's picture before you took it out. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 00:00, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject Hong Kong

I did some cosmetic work on the page of Wikiproject Hong Kong and hopefully you will not have any objection. Thank you!!! Coloane (talk) 00:23, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "AfD"

So, if it's not too much trouble, could you verify the article content for the links I posted up here (as a formality and such)? Pandacomics (talk) 05:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:ChenMustGo2.jpg

Hi HongQiGong,

I am Kuaile Long from de.wiki and commons. In order to use your pictures "Image:ChenMustGo2.jpg" on the german wikipedia, I uploaded it at wiki commones und that adress: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:ChenMustGo2.jpg

No they want to delet it, because of "missing permission".

Please check that picture and the license and tell me/them wether you agree or not.

Best wishes and thanks, 124.8.108.64 (talk) 13:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

That was uploaded here to English WP under fair use. Commons does not allow fair use rationale. If you want to use it on German WP, try uploading it there directly under fair use. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:57, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Categories for Discussion

Two on the 30th which you may be interested in:

Cheers, cab (talk) 08:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I voted. By the way, I've moved Karena Lam, China Chow, and Kobe Tai out of Category:Japanese people of Chinese descent, since that category seems to be for those with Japanese citizenship. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 15:36, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Current events in Hong Kong

I have nominated Current events in Hong Kong, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Current events in Hong Kong. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. jonny-mt 05:46, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Korean diaspora

Thanks for the heads-up and the cleanup. I think most of the confusion in that space is now undone, but he's done the same thing for Armenians, Romanians, Italians, etc. without talking to anyone. cab (talk) 04:17, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sonia Sui's AfD

Thank you for your support. I went ahead & removed the title from the content. Thanks again. TheAsianGURU (talk) 20:03, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Anna Mae He

Re: the inconsolable comment. I saw the footage on ABC's 20/20 on Friday night of Anna Mae He's removal from the house of the Bakers. She was sobbing uncontrollably and her hands had to be pried off door frames and stairway bannisters by the social worker who took her to the car. Most garden-variety observers would say that "inconsolable" is not a biased statement, particularly when that same interview showed the Hes acknowledging that she wouldn't eat and thought they were about to poison her. --Bookworm857158367 (talk) 20:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Alright, but you are not a reliable source to make that assessment. On the other hand, the source you provided for that statement attributed the assessment specifically to a person working for A Child's Best Interest. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 22:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your Help at Sonia Sui

Thank you for your support. Please feel free to let me know how I can improve in the future. Thanks again. TheAsianGURU (talk) 04:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Korean name featured article review

Hi, the article Korean name is undergoing a Featured Article Review right now. As far as I can tell, it's the only Korea-related Featured Article, and I doubt it can survive the way it is now. I noticed you worked on this article before, so I hope you can help now, and maybe continue on to make one or two more Korea-related Featured Articles eventually. Maybe you can contact others who may be interested, since it's not getting much attention right now. Thanks. Chuniac (talk) 18:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] please don't rename a page by cut and paste

I noticed that you renamed Han Chinese clothing to Hanfu. I may agree with you on this renaming. However, please never ever rename a page by cut and paste. I believe that you, a senior Wikipedian, can understand the rationale of this moving policy. If you still like to rename it, please place a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Thank you. --Neo-Jay (talk) 13:08, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 獅子狗

I'm wondering if this dab should take place at a pinyin name instead, such as Shīzigǒu or Shizigou.--Endroit (talk) 18:49, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I think probably just redirect that page to Pekingese. The more common Chinese name for the Shih Tzu is actually zh:西施犬. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 20:48, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Done. Thank you for your help.--Endroit (talk) 01:17, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Strange bedfellows...

Hi, HongQiGong. Just thought I'd point out an amusing little thing I came across thanks to Appletrees sock-fighting. Check out THIS LINK, item 233. It seems you and I have both incurred the wrath of Japanese nationalists, and are linked as "enemies" to be watched. Given our past interaction, who'd have ever thought we were co-conspirators? ;) Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 19:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] American Dragon: Jake Long

I have reverted your previous edit. I don't see what the issue is there. Obviously, you have not viewed the show or else you would know that he is Caucasian. TrackFan (talk) 20:32, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

The issue, as I wrote in the edit summary, is that there's no source to back up that claim. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 00:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Another part of Wikipedia that I despise. Even if you know it is true, you have to have a source. TrackFan (talk) 21:09, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Err... without that rule, Wikipedia would just be a collection of personal opinions. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 23:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
True. Alright, so no Caucasian then. Any other errors that you have found throughout the article? TrackFan (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, hold on, I don't think it was an "error" to state that his father is Caucasian. I just think that's unsubstantiated - the creators may or may not have actually made him Caucasian, but we don't know that without a reliable source. But I'm thinking they probably made him racially ambiguous because it's a cartoon after all and his race shouldn't matter.
As for other aspects of the article - it just seriously needs footnoting, especially the Production section. The Premise and the Characters section could probably get away with little or no footnoting, if everything discussed in those sections are in-fiction, meaning if they don't make references to anything outside the show itself. But keep in mind that I'm assessing the article in the context of what it needs to be promoted to GA or FA status. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:43, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Most of the information that is said in the Production is mostly common sense or is mentioned in infobox such as the initial episodes broadcast in the United States or the series creator. The only piece of information that I see that would need footnoting would be Steve Loter joining the show for the second season and maybe the other broadcast dates. Yet again, most of that is common sense and is not needed or a reference cannot be found. TrackFan (talk) 19:56, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I think what you really mean here is that most of the information in that section is not controversial and sources can be easily found for them. But "common sense"? I would disagree. What is "common sense" in stating that the show was created by Jeff Goode? What is "common sense" in stating that Disney initially ordered 21 episodes for the first season? What is "common sense" in stating what the first broadcast dates were? Surely this information can be easily found in reliable sources, but there's no "common sense" in that. Somebody unfamiliar with the show can read the article and think, "Ok, did Jeff Goode really create the show? Did Disney really order 21 episodes for the first season?" I mean, the reader can probably Google up that information pretty easily, but that's why we use footnotes, so the reader wouldn't have to search for the evidence himself. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 20:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry about my behavior from before. I suppose I was behaving like a bit of bastard. You're right. I just get frustrated from time to time when i find that the article isn't completely finished. But, I suppose if editing it further will increase its grade on the assessment scale, then I say that should be done. TrackFan (talk) 21:36, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
It's all good. And really, the only articles on WP that is completely finished are those that have recently been promoted to FA status. That's about 99.9% of all articles on WP. As always, everything on WP is a work in progress. That's just the nature of the beast. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 22:10, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hong Kong Politics

Responded in Talk:Hong Kong page (re: paragraph in Politics section)

Agreed. Was unable to find any sources that regarded this as a goodwill gesture. Most sources viewed it as a strategic move to liaise with the democrats without any political consequence. However, I still think this paragraph is worthy of inclusion in this article. I made edits:
On 24 September 2005, 25 Hong Kong pro-democracy LegCo members, some of whom were previously labelled as traitors by Beijing after the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 and barred from entering the mainland, crossed the border into the southern province of Guangdong, following an unprecedented invitation by the PRC[25]. The invitation was regarded as a conciliation move[26] by the central government, and is purportedly induced by Tsang[27]. However, the trip was unsuccessful in starting a political dialogue since no "real talking"[28] was done. Hong Kong's pro-government lawmakers even proclaimed that the meeting with Guangzhou party chief Zhang Dejiang was a "courtesy meeting"[29] and that raising political issues was inappropriate.
Please check for style and agreement. Bgnuf (talk) 17:54, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Han Chinese

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[edit] AfD nomination of Overseas Chinese

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[edit] Confucianism

There are many references in discussing Confucianism. If you look at Encyclopedia Britannica [10], it clearly discuessed the religious aspect of it, as well as many other encyclopedias. The British Museum clearly noted that along with Buddhism and Taoism, it is one of the three main religions of China [11]. The article Confucianism itself described the religiousity aspect is in debate. Listing it under the religion section doesn't damage the article in anyway, since it is clearly a main ideology of the states.--Balthazarduju (talk) 20:55, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

The religious nature of Confucianism is debated, however, there is no reason why it can't be listed as one. Britannica says "often grouped with the major historical religions, Confucianism differs from them by not being an organized religion".--Balthazarduju (talk) 21:00, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Isn't the fact that it is debatable a good reason why we should not list it? I'm not going spiral the articles into revert wars, but it's laughable to think that Confucianism is a religion. Like I said, that's like listing the Englightenment as a religion. And ideologies are not religions. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:06, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Your comparison doesn't make sense at all. I doubt Britannica would say the enlightenment is a religion, since it is a "era" encompassing all of the philosophical ideas and movement.--Balthazarduju (talk) 21:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
That's fine. Then compare it to Republicanism, Democracy, Legalism, Mohism, etc etc. These are the comparables to Confucianism. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help on the Tibetan unrest article

Hey, I need your help on the 2008 Tibetan unrest article. Please go to Talk:2008 Tibetan unrest to comment on this. There is this one user User:Rédacteur Tibet who is insisting on adding information about according to GCHQ, the Chinese government orchestrated Tibet riots, based on sources from www.phayul.com. I told him again and again that so far no Western media outlets has carried this story, and the sources he cited are unreliable, and we’ve already discussed this issue before.

This user (Rédacteur Tibet) also keeps adding statements to the article (i.e. Casualties and fatalities section) featuring references from www.phayul.com. We didn't remove his edits, but I've mentioned that he should use other references instead of solely using sources from www.phayul.com. Your help would be greatly appreciated.--Sevilledade (talk) 20:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yayoi Period

Thank you for your recent edit in the article; Yayoi period. I truly appreciated your contribution but the source which you mentioned is not so credible. Please check the note page for more information. The tagged description seems to be plausible, so please add other reference if you can. I also check my library. Thanks --Amagase (talk) 16:14, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] China questions

Hi, Hong. I'm editing a little out of my usual areas, on the Anna May Wong article. I was wondering if you could help a little on the family's home in China. I have the name as " Chang On, a village near Taishan, Guangdong Province, China." The source I get this from says: "According to the genealogy of the Huang family of Chang On, Guangdong Province, China..." then later, "the father took his little boy to his ancestral home of Wing On, a village outside Taichan, Guangdong Province, China." I take "Taichan" to be Taishan, but do you know anything about the village of Chang On? Specifically, the Chinese characters for its names, and whether it has an article started here or at Chinese Wiki? Also, the "Chinese name" template is probably not correct. Someone provided the Chinese characters, but these are being used for both traditional and simplified, which can't be right. Could you provide the simplified? Also, the pronunciation "Wong Liu Tsong" has been labeled as Taishanese due to the fact that this is the dialect the family spoke. Would you know if this is correct (i.e., Taishanese and not some other dialect?) Thanks, Dekkappai (talk) 17:53, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll need to look around. But I'll comment on the Talk page when I have some answers. As for the Chinese characters for her name, it is indeed written the same in both Traditional and Simplified. You should be able to find a Traditional<->Simplified converter online with a quick Google search. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 23:54, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
OK, thanks-- My Korean & Japanese are passable, but I have no knowledge at all of Chinese, so I didn't think the traditional/simplified would be the same. Looking forward to the input on the home-towns. Cheers. Dekkappai (talk) 00:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Main Page Nomination for Manzanar

With the 39th Annual Manzanar Pilgrimage coming up on April 26, I have nominated Manzanar to be on Wikipedia's main page on that date. Please add your support for that at Today's featured article requests -- Gmatsuda (talk) 20:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

The nomination was removed intially because there can only be five nominations on that page, but it's back, so if you are so incllined, please offer your support. Thanks! -- Gmatsuda (talk) 21:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Octopus Card (Students)

I glanced through the article but couldn't find the purple discontinued Octopus Card for students. There is an image at chinese wikipedia but it's in really bad quality. I tried google it with no luck. Can you find it and upload it for me? OhanaUnitedTalk page 03:52, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I've tried before and can't find one either. The one uploaded at Chinese Wikipedia is fair use, so we can't actually upload it here. Try asking WikiProject Hong Kong to see if anybody has an old one he or she can upload. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] see

Christianity in China. Christian fanatics are back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.11.78.218 (talk) 17:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 2008 Tibetan unrest

Thanks for re-adding the link, however I'm going back to my edit, for two reasons: one, it reads better; two, the riots did not precede the protests in time. Yunfeng (talk) 18:34, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] People's Liberation Army operations in Tibet (1950–1951)

Hi there, an editor has proposed a title move to "Invasion of Tibet". It'd be great to have your comments/vote. - MainBody (talk) 15:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chinese/Chinese-American actor

Hi, Hong. I'm still working on the Anna May Wong article, and a question has come up. Someone put a "Chinese actor and singer" template on the article. The problem is, she wasn't a Chinese actor or singer, but an American actress of Chinese ancestry. Looking at Philip Ahn, which uses a generic actor template on top of a Korean name, I think that a similar arrangement (actor atop Chinese name) would be appropriate. Do you know if there are any guidelines/preferences for or against either arrangement? Regards. Dekkappai (talk) 21:19, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't know of any guidelines on this, and to be honest with you, I don't really care either way which template to use. I created that Chinese actor and singer template (in case you did not know) so it would be a cleaner way to present Chinese celebrities' Chinese names as well as awards in the Chinese movie industry (which are built into the template, unlike the regular actor infobox, which only has Western movie awards). But neither of these are really applicable to Anna May Wong, since her Chinese name is only marginally relevant and she didn't win any awards. It doesn't really make a big difference which template is used, does it? I'd say go ahead and change the template if you want, but if another editor really insists on using the Chinese template, then just let it be. The use of either template is by no means an implication of nationality or citizenship.
Also, by the way, I couldn't find any Chinese sources on her family's origins being from a village near Taishan named "Chang On". But I only looked at a few sources, and they just say her family ancestry is Taishan. I doubt there would be an article for the village anyway. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 02:15, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
OK, thanks for the input, Hong. No, I didn't know you'd created that template, but I can see how it would be useful for the Chinese movie industry, but not for Anna May Wong. I don't have strong feelings either way on the template, but I do think the generic (i.e. US-centric) actor template is more approprate here, with a Chinese name template under that. I'll change it later. Regards. Dekkappai (talk) 15:52, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
OK-- I put in the "Chinese" template. You might want to give it a quick look to make sure I've used it right (never used it before, and my Chinese is ability is nil). Thanks for looking for the hometown, by the way. It would be nice if we could provide more information on the place, but if we can't, at least it's sourced. Apparently the author visited the place, but his spelling (even of "Taishan" which he sometimes spells "Taichan") varies from page to page... Dekkappai (talk) 18:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] He who lives in a glass house shouldn't throw stones

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[edit] Re-categorization discussion

A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Modern Chinese music/Categories to discuss how we should recategorize C-pop artist articles. Your input would be greatly appreciated. Pandacomics (talk) 00:44, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Anna May Wong

You deserve a chocolate chip cookie!
You deserve a chocolate chip cookie!

FWiW Bzuk (talk) 22:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC).

[edit] Cung Le

[edit] about "Chinese Communist Party-controlled newspaper China Daily"

how about "state-run". more soft, less political color.--Jingandteller (talk) 11:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comment on a source

Hi HongQiGong, could you come to the 2008 Tibetan unrest article and its talk page to comment on a statement cited by User:Rédacteur Tibet. The source cited by Rédacteur Tibet is in the French-language. It is talking about how in an interview with Canadian journalists, according to the Dalai Lama, over 400 people were killed in the Tibetan unrest. However, I couldn't find any English-language sources on the net to correlate with this statistics. I kept the statement on the article because I want to wait for more users to comment on this source. Your help would be appreciated.--Sevilledade (talk) 20:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] jin jing

There is no neutrality problem now. I will remove the NPOV tag.--Jingandteller (talk) 13:00, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] about according to abc news

I think it is useless to say according to abc news. It is a fact that Jin Jing was attacked and she protected the torch. abc news reported this, xinhua reported this, chinese newspapers reported this, times reported this, French president admitted this, no one denied this. Why should you insist to add according to abc news? What is your reason?--Jingandteller (talk) 10:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

abc news is a reliable source. but it is not specially reliable on the report of Jin Jing. xinhua is not reliable source according to you, but xinhua didn't lie here on the story of Jin Jing. Even considering the western media, abc news is not the only one reporting the accident. So why should you say according to abc news? You cited many words of wikipedia policy, so why don't say according to abc news that US is a country in America? Why do you say according to abc news in the article on Jin Jing? What's your logic?--Jingandteller (talk) 10:44, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

If there is no answer from you, I will delete the "according to abc news".--Jingandteller (talk) 15:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

It's not about reliability of a source, it's about attributing information. There's an actual quote from the ABC New source. Please just let it stay. As an experienced editor, I promise you this is the most WP:NPOV way to present controversial information. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
There are many reports on the attack on Jin Jing. If you talk about the quote, we can cite more source, in English or in Chinese, and write down the sentence by ourselves. It's not necessary to quote the words from abc news. You talked about controversial information. So on the attack on Jin Jing, what's controverial? Which source denied the words by abc news and by xinhua on the attack?--Jingandteller (talk) 00:24, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
It's about how the attack has been described. Some sources may not even have used the word "attack" at all. Right now the article uses the exact wording that ABC News uses - "fended off" and "threw themselves". That's why we should say exactly that it was ABC News that wrote this. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
abc news is not the only source reporting the attack. Why should you insist only cite abc news? There are other sources, in English and in Chinese. Even considering abc news, why should you quote the words by abc news but not write down your own sentence with the same meaning. You insist to quote the words by abc news, then insist to say according to abc news because of the quotation, what a logic loop!--Jingandteller (talk) 09:17, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
It's not my own words. ABC News specifically wrote "fending off protesters" who "threw themselves" at her. Right now the article says that she fended off protestors who "threw themselves" at her. Look, attributing that to ABC News doesn't make it less valid. In fact it strengthens it. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Why don't you write your own words to express the same meaning? If we write but not just copy, we can get rid off the according to abc news but keep the meaning.--Jingandteller (talk) 16:43, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
But I don't think there's anything wrong with saying that this is what ABC News wrote. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I will rewrite that sentence in my own words and remove the according to abc news. There will be no quotation, and there will be no according abc news. How do you think about this?--Jingandteller (talk) 18:31, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Fine, if you insist. But if there's a revert-war over your change, I'm going in to revert back to my version. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 23:24, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Why? Why will there be a revert-war? Why do you say fine and say you will revert back at the same time? What's your true idea? Do you agree with my change or not? If you agree, why do you say you will revert back? If you don't agree, why do you say fine? --Jingandteller (talk) 09:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
You and I are not the only one editing the article. Right now the intro is stabalised with the current wording where it says, "According to ABC News...". If you edit it, others might revert, and then maybe you'd revert, thus causing a revert-war. If that happens, I'll just go and revert back to the current version. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 13:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Why will you revert the version I suggested?--Jingandteller (talk) 16:26, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I said if your edit causes a revert-war, then I'll revert to the current stable version. If your edit does not cause a revert-war, then good job to you. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 17:49, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Why do you want to revert my version when there is a revert-war? What's wrong with my version?--Jingandteller (talk) 20:03, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Right now the intro is stable, that means there's concensus on it. If your edit causes a revert-war, that means there wouldn't be concensus on your edit, and that's why I would revert back to the current version - because there's concensus on it. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:56, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
My question is what's YOUR opinion about my version. Do you have your own opinion? If you have, what's it? How do you think about my version without according to abc news? If you don't have your own opinion and you only follow other's opinion, that will be fine.--Jingandteller (talk) 09:49, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Leslie Cheung

Sorry I defaced this article. I hope it's ok with you if I change the transcription of 哥哥 to Go Go (which is Yale romanization, the one we are supposed to use) from Gor Gor (which is not from any system I'm aware of)? Thanks. Yunfeng (talk) 15:29, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem! Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:34, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

Please come to the 2008 Tibetan unrest article to comment on a dispute. User:Yunfeng insisting on placing links such as Chinese nationalism and Han chauvinism onto this article to empthasize that they maybe related to the Tibetan unrest. I haven’t seen any references cited on this article that covered these issues, that is why I disagree with this inclusion. Please come to the talk page and comment on the dispute. And keep an eye out on that article will ya. Thanks!--Sevilledade (talk) 17:51, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cookie

For all your hard work on Anna May Wong, you deserve a cookie.
For all your hard work on Anna May Wong, you deserve a cookie.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by EraserGirl (talk • contribs) 2008-05-03T01:29:48

[edit] Hong Kong FAR

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[edit] Jin Jing, once again

Hi, could you have a look at my proposal at Talk:Jin_Jing#Proposal_to_keep_the_article_as_is and weigh in with your opinion? Thanks, Novidmarana (talk) 17:51, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jin Jing POV

The flow problem that you mentioned is resolved. I'd like to know if you are OK with removing the POV tag. Thanks. --Cowboybebop98 (talk) 01:24, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] CEnt?

Hi, just wondering if you are still interested in re-tooling WikiProject Modern Chinese music. I hope to once again gather those interested... and maybe get the thing started. =p Skyezx 06:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article review

Hello. I've seen your name as a contributor on a lot of articles I've read and projects I've joined. I just finished expanding an almost-stub article and was hoping you might take a look at it. It's my first significant contribution and I'd like an experienced set of eyes to look it over/copyedit before I submit it for reassessment. The page is Daniel Wu, part of the Hong Kong and Asian American projects. I'd really appreciate it. Thanks so much for your consideration! -- Hamuhamu (talk) 12:48, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] help with my user page

i need help, i want to create customized templatesRestoreTheEmpireSociety (talk) 20:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)