Talk:Honored Matres

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[edit] Rewrite/Update

This article can use some updates and copyediting, anyone feeling "bold"? TAnthony 16:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I edited some stuff, moved a few paragraphs around, and split the article up into categories. Let me know what you think. Mindgiver 15:24, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't the singular be Mater rather than Matre? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.14.112.200 (talk • contribs) 06:07, 16 March 2007

Perhaps, but the books use Matre. TAnthony 14:24, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Execrable Contributions of The Son and His Hack

Is it really necessary to combine the information available from Frank Herbert's actual work with the garbage from Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson?

Yes, they read some of his unpublished notes. No, that doesn't make their work more than third-rate fanfic that got published on the strength of the Herbert name alone.

It would be bad enough to write elaborate fancruft assembled from original research on a fictional work, that spoils every detail of that work, without the sin of assimilating fanfic into the story's canon.

24.79.6.12 20:11, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, references to info from the Brian Herbert/Anderson works should definitely be cited as such or split out into separate sections, as in other Dune articles like Butlerian Jihad (there doesn't seem to be too much here, though). I think you may also be suggesting that the prequels/sequels are unworthy of being included at all; whether they suck or not is the reader's opinion, but they do have a place in an encyclopedia. TAnthony 12:39, June 15, 2007 (UTC)

In truth, they are both better writers than F. Herbert himself. Far better in my opinion. Most people I know who've read through the whole see the Brian/Kevin combintion as *better* and more even than anything F. Herbert wrote except Dune itself.216.203.27.99 05:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

While I enjoyed the Brian Herbert/Kevin J. Anderson works, I find it very hard to believe you've found that many people who would actually call them "better" than Frank's originals. Perhaps they're easier to read, but come on, they are blatantly inferior to even Frank's grocery list. — TAnthony^Talk 01:01, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

If it has to stay, the page could at least say that the sequels are "allegedly" based on notes left by Frank Herbert, rather than just accepting the truth of that dubious proposition. Mangajunglist (talk) 19:09, 8 May 2008 (UTC)