Talk:Honorary Aryan

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[edit] Hungarians and others

I believe that the Hungarians were granted Honorary Aryan status en masse, but I'm not sure of this and lack citation. It was almost certainly extended to Mussolini, Tojo, and Hirohito; again, I lack citation. I know that it was a running joke in the United States to refer to the Japanese collectively as Honorary Aryans; I don't know if the Nazis ever actually granted them that status. A good citation one way or the other would be in order.

It would also be interesting to have a list of ethnically Jewish people who accepted Honorary Aryan status; I just know of these two famous stories of it being turned down. -- Jmabel | Talk 10:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

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Hitler's Jewish Soldiers: The Untold Story of Nazi Racial Laws and Men of Jewish Descent in the German Military (paperback ISBN 0700613587, cloth ISBN 0700611789) by Bryan Mark Rigg is a good source on this topic. The term was also used, by Hitler, to describe the Japanese. —Morning star 15:34, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
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The Nazis never considered mediterraneans non-Aryans, Hitler said the Italians (Bith northern and Southern) were "Aryans".Arnie Gov 05:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnically Jewish?

Judaism is a religion, not a race. How can Emmerich Kálmán be ethnically Jewish? --The Dark Side 22:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Behause it is also an ethnicity. Paul B 02:06, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "non-Aryan" Slavs

What on earth is a "non-Aryan Slav"? Slavic is an Aryan (IE) language. Paul B 08:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Slavs and other ethnic groups were considered to be Aryans. Eg. in occupied Poland, an official name for the parts of the cities inhabited by Poles was "the Aryan part" whereas Jewish parts were called "ghettos". The main ideologist Alfred Rosenberg classified Slavs as Aryans, but Slavs, Finns, or Italians... there were no ethnic group equal to Germans, who were the most Aryan nation in Europe. As for the Slavs, "non-Aryan Slavs - according to German ideologists" is a total fiction and this statement should be deleted. author: MAX (i dont have much time for signing in, making my own account)
The Nazi's hated Slavs and thought of them as sub-human, it's only modern neo nazi groups in Russia that ironically that wish to link themselves with Nazi Germany. To the above poster, Finns were considered part of the Aryan race, it's your comments that are baseless. Slavs, although are Aryans according to modern scholars, the Germans thought of them as an inferior race.
Hitler's aim in the East was very clear: acquiring Lebensraum in the East up to the Ural Mountains. These lands were occupied by groups that Hitler and Nazism despised: Bolsheviks, Slavs and Jews. Under the New Order, these peoples would either become slaves under German overlords or would be exterminated. He was to state in 1942: "If we do not complete the conquest of the East utterly and irrevocably, each successive generation will have war on its hands". For him the war in Russia was a racial conflict, in which the racially superior German Aryan race was locked in a struggle with the "sub-human" Slavs. This made retreat in the face of "inferior" peoples unimaginable, for the Führer could not conceive of the racially inferior Slavs being able to defeat a superior race - [1][2] Information on Slavs Anon - August 2007
You are the one who is confused. Believing Slavs to be inferior is not the same a believing them to be non-Aryan. You don't understand the term Aryan. The source you quote is non-academic. Paul B 11:57, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I think what poster is trying to say is that Hitler didn't like Slavs, regardless if they are Aryan and speakers of the Aryan/Indo-European language - believing they were non-aryan/as racial concept.

[edit] Alleged Jewish 'Honorary Aryans'

For example, this status was offered to (and declined by) composer Emmerich Kálmán, who was a Hungarian national, but ethnically Jewish.[1] Film director Fritz Lang recalled that Joseph Goebbels had made a similar offer to him, saying, "Mr. Lang, we decide who is Jewish and who is not," and prompting his departure for Paris; at least one biographer views the story as apocryphal.[2]

  1. ^ Emmerich Kálmán on the site of Lyric Opera San Diego, October 2005, accessed 16 January 2006. The site appears generally accurate on Kalman, although it does misspell the name of Miklós Horthy as "Nicolas Harthy".
  2. ^ Review of Lang's Metropolis on moviediva.com, accessed 16 January 2006.

I have removed the above passages, which are supported by one footnote that is inaccessible and one that is a review on a 'moviediva' website. As for Lang, he is said to have claimed that Goebbels offered him a role in the German film industry, though the "we decide" line is usually attributed to Goering with reference to Milsch. It's not clear whether Goebbels even knew at the time that Lang was Jewish, but the story is unlikely to be true (see the Fritz Lang page). I know nothing about Kalman, but it seems to derive from a story told by his daughter about an unnamed German general who was supposed to have guaranteed Kalman's safety in Austria after the Anschluss. Again, there is no extant documentation to suggest that this was an actual official offer as far as I can see. Paul B 17:29, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese to Korean?

I have reverted multiple changes of Japanese people to Korean people. Please discuss the change here and get back to the change. Just trying to see if there is a good justificaition for this. Thanks. Prashanthns (talk) 19:27, 16 May 2008 (UTC)