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[edit] New name

I suggest making Honorverse the main page for this section. It seems like the closest thing to an official title for the whole oeuvre. And "[[Name (Honorverse)|Name]]" can be used for disambiguation. --wwoods 17:13, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

Not necessarily a bad idea. There are a whole bunch of character pages as well - maybe combine a few of them?

Hmmm, there is also the Honor Harrington series, but I think Honorverse is better. Feel free to do it :)

I did the redirect entries so at least the search options points to somewhere. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 14:09, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Spoilers

There are some major spoilers for At All Costs in the text. Granted, this is in the spoiler section, but it's a lot more accessible, and easy for somebody to be accidentally spoiled (it's justifiable to post spoiler warnings for say Ashes of Victory due to the nature of the series) than in the 'snerkers only' forum on Baen's Bar which is the only other place I've seen that information online.

[edit] Graphics

About the graphics. This is my site: Honorverse Art Gallery. The graphics were made by other ppl, but they have either agreed that I can host it or I was unable to localize them (and I have several times asked about them on official forums). So I am *pretty* sure we could use some of those pics here, but as I am fairly new to the wiki thing, I will leave it up to more experienced ppl to decide that. In my case, I grant everybody right to use any part of my site however they chose for the wiki project. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 08:23, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Piotrus,
The image policy is, more or less, that the image must be in the public domain. Meaning it's been explicitly released to the public domain by the creator (or owner) or has been released with one of the 'almost equivalent to public domain' copyright licenses... It's a bit of mess because images are far harder to 'paraphrase' than copyrighted text. The best I can suggest is to post a note at the village pump here asking for clarification...
Thanks for the comment about the edits at treecat.
Finally, you might choose to mark comments on talk pages with Piotrus so folks can know who made the comment. An easy way to do this is to put 4 '~' in a row as I have below. Or 3 as that leaves your name but not the date.
Right, it was long time ago when I was just starting at Wiki. As for the images from my page - we can use all book covers, since it is considered fair use, as far as I know. :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 08:23, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Fair use is a perilous thing to rely on, as the specifics of it vary from country to country. I am pretty sure that any use of book covers on Wikipedia is not covered by the equivalents of fair use in Finland; and other countries have their own rules. AJK 21:46, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
ww 18:56, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC), <-- 4, or 3 --> ww
All the covers have been released on the Honoverse CD-ROM, so investigating the licence on that might be helpful. --Phil | Talk 08:14, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)


[edit] Honor Harrington in Other Media

I hope that anyone who does screenplays for this series has David Weber review (and approve) them. This character has a lot of history, and it would be easy to lose continuity. --Markjacobs8 23:31, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I'd be very much suprised if any screenplays were carried out without specific consent from David Weber. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 23:59, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I wouldn't. Hollywood has a long tradition of paying big bux for the rights to material which they then proceed to transmogrify (remember Calvin's transmogrifier?) into non recognizability. Lots of egos out there. Remember Fitzgerald and Faulkner and ...
I think in this instance, they'd be ill advised to do so as there is a large legion of fans who will avoid in droves if they muck around too much. Look at the large changes made in O'Brian's Master and Commander and in the telescoping of the Peck movie about Horatio Hornblower (folding three novels into one). I am hopeful, but pessimistically so (expect nothing good so as to enjoy the surprise if soemthing actually works out well). 141.149.42.218 21:06, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I've removed the unsourced speculation from this section and properly cited two statements for which I could find reliable sources. Anyone who wants to restore any of the deleted material should first find such sources (which don't include fan websites and discussion forums, per WP policy). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 02:12, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2066377/bio . Heres another source.Corustar 00:00, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of postings

Okay: why put "Admiral of the Fleet" in the list of postings? That is not her posting, her posting is Commander of Home Fleet. Admiral of the Fleet is her rank. The postings do not list her rank, except for the case of "Midshipwoman", which is a posting reserved for a specific rank.

Her rank of Admiral of the Fleet is listed under her current title, as is the fact that it is an acting rank. Magidin 03:23, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

My impression is that Admiral of the Fleet is one of those ex officio ranks or titles or some such. Anyone who is commander of Home Fleet is also Admiral of the Fleet, but upon moving on from that command will no longer be Admiral of the Fleet. The US Navy used to (still?) have a similar arrangement for the commander of the Pacific Fleet (eg, Adm Husband Kimmel just before Pearl Harbor). Sometimes this stuff gets confusing. ww 18:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

If you look at the cover of At All Costs, her shoulder boards and collar insignia are those of the Admiral of the Fleet. The book says that this is an acting rank for her, but for all intents it will be her actual rank for some time. They are not going to leave her in a posting so far from the actual front when more ships become available. With Home Fleet gone, Eight Fleet became Home Fleet and ceased to exist until it is reactivated as a new command. With the scarcity of ships to begin with and that fact that any new fleet guarding the Manticore home system with have to be equipped with the new weapons systems, i.e. Apollo and Mistletoe. When she eventually moves to a new posting she won't be Admiral of the Fleet any longer, but just a Fleet Admiral. The rank should be included in any list because it is tied to that particular posting. And, do commanders of Home Fleet retire or are they rotated to other duties? If they retire then, it's their final rank, unless it takes an Act of Parliament like it takes and act of Congress for three stars and above to retain rank. Harrington is obviously not going to retire from that position. PrimeNemesis 22 August 2006 21:51 UTC

Actualy "new home fleet" is probably surviving elements of 8th fleet as it's core - units previously detached at Trevor's Star plus most of the units just captured from Haven. 3rd fleet itself was also wiped out (also excepting units previously detached at Trevor's Star) and so needs replaced as well, a good size chuck of the captured Haven ships seems to be the best source of that as well given that it needs to happen before word of their victory gets back to Haven. The Talbott forces probably arrived in home system on schelude but probably need to be sent right back. Commanders of Home Fleet appear to be rotated like other senior personal, early in the series there is a note about needing to rotate the senior personal around due to prolong. Jon 20:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] inspirations

Perhaps Don Quixote from Man of La Mancha should be mentioned. Honor and others state it themselves during War of Honor. Jon 20:30, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Book cover images?

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread...

I added infoboxes to the articles for each of the eleven books in the main series. If anyone objects, please post here,and we can revert all of them. Note that I use a template, so we can also fine-tune the infoboxes as a group by editing the template.

but I did not create images for the book covers because I am not clear about copyright. If someone has resolved this or can resolve it, please let me know, or even better, just update the articles. Thanks. Arch dude 20:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Book covers can be uploaded under {{bookcover}} as part of fair use.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  21:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
OK, I uploaded them under fair use and linked the book articles. - Arch dude 01:24, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Physical Characteristics?

Seems there's a lot missing on this page.

While father and mother was mentioned, there's nothing about her being a genie, with modified metabolism and faster than normal strength and reflexes, plus superb kinesthesia. (Spoiler) Indeed, she outshot a dedicated duelist-for-hire, and do coup-de-vitesse at a level that matches Sgt. Tausig (who placed 2nd in fleet championship) in just her midshipman years!

No mention of her looks (ugly duckling) and voice (soprano) either.

--Kschang77 06:42, 17 December 2006 (UTC) (Honorverse fan)

She is listed under Category:Fictional telepaths; is she telepathic? Noclevername 21:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Not exactly, she has a bond (which is never really well understood even within the books) with Nimitz, her Treecat. Nimitz, like other Treecats, is telepathic and empathic, and can sense the emotions of humans around him. Since Honor can sense Nimitz's emotions, and some of his thoughts, later on, she can sense through him the emotions of those around her (at least in the later books). Short answer? No, she's not particularly telepathic, except with Nimitz, but she is more sensitive to that sort of thing than most humans.--Raguleader 00:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Category:Fictional empaths would be better :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  09:30, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chronology

I reorganized the Career section, and added subsection headings to make future edits easier. I also had to spend quite some time removing in-universe style. Don't forget that events in books are reported in present tense!

I also noticed that there is nothing between her time as a Commander, and her capture by Ransom as a flag officer. It's been too long since I read the books, but someone should fill in a brief summary of that time, especially mentioning more stuff on her stay on Grayson. Mdotley 03:31, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Two Stars of Grayson?

I'm re-reading all the books, no mention of a second Star of Grayson but she did have the Crossed Swords appended to the Star after the battle in "Flag in Exile".

As the only living holder of the Star of Grayson, she's automatically the Protector's Champion, weilder of the Sword of Grayson, which is what prompted her to learn Grayson style swordfighting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizzybody (talk • contribs) 11:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

As is specified in the books, the Crossed Swords are the way in which an award of a second Star of Grayson is indicated. In other words, getting the Crossed Swords is the same as getting a second award of the Star of Grayson. Magidin 13:32, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Honor Among Enemies.jpg

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[edit] List of Honorverse characters nominated for deletion

Interested users may want to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Honorverse characters.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Honor Among Enemies.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:25, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Honor Among Enemies.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 12:40, 8 March 2008 (UTC)