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[edit] Resource/Contribution Request
If you have access to the following resources, it would be much appreciated if you can either provide the resource or contribute to this article. Thanks.
- Global Networks, Volume 5 Issue 2, Back to Hong Kong: return migration or transnational sojourn? by David Ley and Audrey Kobayashi (requested by Hong Qi Gong 03:07, 1 March 2006 (UTC))
[edit] Picture?
Can someone help me find an appropriate picture for this article? Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 20:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- I'm just trying to imagine what a suitable picture would be like. I mean, Hong Kong returnees wouldn't look any different to other Hong Kong people right? :S enochlau (talk) 00:20, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- Not really too sure either but perhaps the Immigration Building at Wan Chai, Immigration Hall, Customs and Excise Officer? Luke! 00:31, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah that's why I asked for help. I'm not sure what picture would be appropriate. At first I was thinking maybe a celebrity that is a returnee, but I don't know of any HK celebrity that really fits this demographic. The celebrities that had went to spend time overseas are usually just spoiled brats that got sent overseas for an expensive education and foreign citizenship before they graduate and go back to HK. Not sure if they qualify. Actually I think both Yung Mei Ling and Maggie Cheung fit this demographic. Maybe we can use one of their pictures? That brings up another issue, right now the article seems to narrowly define a returnee as someone that left HK after the Handover was announced in the mid-80s. But technically a returnee is just someone that left and went back to HK. It doesn't have to fit into that time frame. Although on the other hand, the reading I've done about returnees all seem to concentrate on the population of people that left starting from the mid-80s. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 02:18, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- An idea - instead of a photo, why don't we have a diagram? Like with arrows and stuff showing the supposed stages of whether people go? enochlau (talk) 15:52, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- Wouldn't that be basically 2 arrows? They went away, and then they came back... Hahhah! Maybe you can elaborate on what you mean. But I get a feeling that it'll either take a bit of research or it'll be in danger of being original research. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:51, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- Well, 2 arrows on a world map maybe? :P well from what I remember, there are multiple trips made at different stages of life, so there could be multiple arrows between two places (and it's just more than Canada - so more than 2 arrows!) - and maybe thickness of arrow indicates the relative number of people who make the trip either way or something. I just don't think a photo can add much meaning to the article. enochlau (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, not sure about the value of a photo either, but it's just one of those things you'd want to have on an article if it is to progress beyond class-B at all. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 01:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Well, this article would have more trouble than just the photo in getting beyond its current state, because there just aren't that many references that talk about it. Google for "Hong Kong returnee" and you get ~200 (~34000 without the quotes), so there isn't much going on discussing it. enochlau (talk) 22:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, definitely it still requires a lot of work. There are actually still a bunch of stuff in the existing references on the article that can be included. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 22:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Well, this article would have more trouble than just the photo in getting beyond its current state, because there just aren't that many references that talk about it. Google for "Hong Kong returnee" and you get ~200 (~34000 without the quotes), so there isn't much going on discussing it. enochlau (talk) 22:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, not sure about the value of a photo either, but it's just one of those things you'd want to have on an article if it is to progress beyond class-B at all. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 01:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Well, 2 arrows on a world map maybe? :P well from what I remember, there are multiple trips made at different stages of life, so there could be multiple arrows between two places (and it's just more than Canada - so more than 2 arrows!) - and maybe thickness of arrow indicates the relative number of people who make the trip either way or something. I just don't think a photo can add much meaning to the article. enochlau (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- Wouldn't that be basically 2 arrows? They went away, and then they came back... Hahhah! Maybe you can elaborate on what you mean. But I get a feeling that it'll either take a bit of research or it'll be in danger of being original research. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:51, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- An idea - instead of a photo, why don't we have a diagram? Like with arrows and stuff showing the supposed stages of whether people go? enochlau (talk) 15:52, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah that's why I asked for help. I'm not sure what picture would be appropriate. At first I was thinking maybe a celebrity that is a returnee, but I don't know of any HK celebrity that really fits this demographic. The celebrities that had went to spend time overseas are usually just spoiled brats that got sent overseas for an expensive education and foreign citizenship before they graduate and go back to HK. Not sure if they qualify. Actually I think both Yung Mei Ling and Maggie Cheung fit this demographic. Maybe we can use one of their pictures? That brings up another issue, right now the article seems to narrowly define a returnee as someone that left HK after the Handover was announced in the mid-80s. But technically a returnee is just someone that left and went back to HK. It doesn't have to fit into that time frame. Although on the other hand, the reading I've done about returnees all seem to concentrate on the population of people that left starting from the mid-80s. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 02:18, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- Not really too sure either but perhaps the Immigration Building at Wan Chai, Immigration Hall, Customs and Excise Officer? Luke! 00:31, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cultural Identity of Returnees to Hong Kong
There was an overwhelmingly glowing piece from an American academic residing short term at Hong Kong Baptist University discussing returnees to Hong Kong, claiming that they suffer no difficulties in adjusting back to the culture of Hong Kong when compared with Western children raised as children of missionaries, foreign workers (unfortunately I can't seem to find link now). But only a brief glance shows it suffers from self-selection bias, as the returnees returned to HK on their volitions as adults.
For those who stayed behind (I myself am one), going back to Hong Kong would be an enormous adjustment - one more like going to an altogether new foreign place than going back "home". I don't think anyone has really studied this topic on a systematic basis, but an intuitive reasoning would propose that the younger you left Hong Kong, the longer you stay in your destination country, and the more committed you are to actively integrate into the destination country's ways of life, the more difficult it will be to readjust the cultural values as a returnee back in Hong Kong.
Still, that picture is probably valid for those who returned. I have known many from that category, and found their outlook remained basically Hong Kong Chinese throughout their years in New Zealand or Canada or Australia and reflected minimal impacts of the destination countries' local cultures. I suspect some of them may feel more like overseas students than migrants during the years abroad. --JNZ (talk) 22:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
