Talk:Hong Kong Time

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  • Clean up all MTR station pages. They are literally all over the place. Two model pages are Tsing Yi Station and Sheung Shui Station. They each describe a feature special to the station, Station layout, exit, and connections, as well as neighbouring stations and the station "box".
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  • Clean-up pages that link with TVB, especially its series pages.

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[edit] GMT

could this page also refer to HKT in terms of GMT - as this is cilvian. UTC is all well and good but you can't set your watch by it. 128.40.189.8 13:24, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] All China=GMT+8???

Editions saying that Hong Kong time is same as all China is often seen on this article. However, as far as I know, the time in Urumqi is GMT+7 instead of GMT+8. Therefore I insist on changing the phrase "same as China time" to "same as the time in most places of China". Deryck C. 12:02, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Ürümqi is actually in the GMT +8 time zone as far as I know. — Instantnood 12:55, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
All of China should be GMT +8. [1] How did you come to know it was GMT+7 for Urumqi?--Huaiwei 13:13, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
Is it? The yellow pages in Hong Kong says Urumqi takes HKT-1. Deryck C. 13:47, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
Hmm....do you have an electronic version of it? :D Anyway, it might turn out to be an error which you could write to them about (and get a free gift?)! ;)--Huaiwei 13:59, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
Nah, the yellow pages online doesn't come with the timezone features. Deryck C. 14:25, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
It does [2]. But Ürümqi isn't on the list. — Instantnood 14:33, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Eeeeeeekk~~ All of them says Urumqi GMT+8. Deryck C. 14:50, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Right. But the many articles on the Internet says there is some "adjustment" in places like Ürümqi, for instance, the office hour is behind that along the coast for an hour or two. You may also be interested to know that the ROC designated five time zones for it claimed territories. — Instantnood 15:27, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] ROC time zones

What are they and when can I read more about that? Deryck C. 17:14, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

See talk:Chinese Standard Time. :-) — Instantnood 17:25, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

(quoted text)

This article taken from a government document says the Republic of China has five time zones for its claimed territories, that is +5.5, +6, +7 + 8 and +8.5. — Instantnood 01:21, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

(end of quote)

Well, that was the ROC regime of China with Sun Yat-sen still alive. Deryck C. 17:47, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Not really. When Dr. Sun was alive the ROC was under control of warlords. ;-) — Instantnood 18:31, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] my edits

re [3]

  1. per Wikipedia:Only_make_links_that_are_relevant_to_the_context, "time zone" does not need to be linked twice in the article. It should be linked in the text where possible.
  2. I don't see how HK's status as being part of the PRC is relevant here. Hong Kong Time existed long before HK became a SAR.
  3. The pipe link "mainland China|the rest of China" is inappropriate because it implies MO and TW are not part of China.

--Jiang 08:17, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

In normal speech, we should tell the users some bginfo - HK is part of China. This is used even in envelopes. The rest of my edits satisfy both your principles as stated above and my assertions. --Deryck C. 08:23, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Country is only necessary if it is not common knowledge. People might not know about a Manning in South Carolina (and thus the city will always be presented as "Manning, South Carolina"), but the location of Hong Kong is common knowledge. "Hong Kong, China" is redundant.--Jiang 07:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

See if Instantnood's recent edit can satisfy your criteria. --Deryck C. 07:32, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

yes, Instantnood's edit is fine with me--Jiang 23:51, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Although I'm still quite not convinced by your statement "location of Hong Kong is common knowledge (that doesn't need to be stated)". Even on envelopes and newsletters and even common speech we write "China" after "Hong Kong". --Deryck C. 04:11, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Jiang, as an admin, please don't abuse the rollback function to revert non-vandalism. --Deryck C. 07:23, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Based on a news search, the first few blurbs I received: "A Hong Kong conglomerate that has won a federal contract..." "Hong Kong Customs officers of Lo Wu cross-border..." "Department says a Sri Lankan teenager deported from New Zealand two years ago has been accepted as a refugee by the United Nations and is living in Hong Kong." "Another bird has died of the HN51 strain of avian influenza in Hong Kong, agriculture authorities said." "The fair, which took place from 22 – 24 March 2006 at the Hong Kong Convention & Exhibition Centre..." "A team from the Public Transport Department at the Roads and Transport Authority (RTA), recently visited Hong Kong to closely study the public transport ..." "Nury Vittachi, a journalist and novelist, recalls the dire state of Hong Kong's English-language literary scene a decade ago" "Li Ka-shing's nickname is "Superman and when the tycoon talks, Hong Kong listens ..."

None of them state "Hong Kong, China". --Jiang 07:53, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


In addition to the arguments Jiang has presented, the matter is even more tricky since no where in constitutional or other legal documents are special administrative regions, or Hong Kong specifically, defined as ordinary subnational entities. — Instantnood 12:58, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hong Kong, China

There have been a continued reversion dispute between Deryck Chan, Alanmak and Jiang, concerning whether we should put "China" after Hong Kong. Please discuss here. Outside comment is, of course, greatly welcome.

  • IMO even in envelope writing we have "China" after "Hong Kong". This can show it's not enough "common" of a common knowledge that Hong Kong is part of China, and that "China" should be kept. --Deryck C. 01:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
    addendum: I believe RfC would be a better option since both sides stand quite still. Deryck C. 01:49, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I failed to notice that you responded to me in the discussion above after I posted that I agreed to Instantnood's edit.

Envelopes are not indicative of "common knowledge". It is simply convention to include the name of the country on envelopes that are headed out of the country. Look at common discourse for indicators. There was discussion here on whether US city articles needed to carry the "state" in the title.--Jiang 08:00, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Of course we don't mention it in the title. But do we mention it in the context? I think yes. --Deryck C. 04:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
see links to news articles above. You always mention the country or state for obscure places, but for world class cities, it is not necessary--Jiang 07:31, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I agree with this point, so if you can ask for Alanmak's consent concerning your point, I'll let you delete the word. --Deryck C. 15:51, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

There is no such thing as his "consent" or your "permission". Decisions are based on consensus. Alanmak will have to come to this talk page himself and provide reasons for including it if he wants it to stay.--Jiang 17:22, 27 March 2006 (UTC)