Talk:Hong Kong Mahjong scoring rules

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In the article, it says that the "Nine gates" is 450 times more rare than the "13 wonders". What kind of hand is the "nine gates" then? --70.111.218.254 22:21, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

A Nine Gates hand is one where a player has three 1s, a 2-8, and three 9s all in the same suit. The 14th tile may be any tile from the same suit. It is called nine gates because there are 9 tiles that the player can win with. In some games it is required that the hand be totally concealed (i.e. the three 1s and 9s must be drawn from the wall and not taken from a discard). Bungeh 13:10, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible to add Cantonese transliteration(Yale/Jyutping) for some of the Chinese words in this article in addition to the current Mandarin pinyin?


Whats 9 Gates in Chinese?

It would be also nice to have a visual reference to the Nine Gates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knightshield (talk • contribs) 05:11, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] questions

is this hong kong old style or new style?

are the flower tiles used at all? I bought a set in chinatown but it didnt have the flowers!--Sonjaaa 05:57, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

The flowers are expected to be used in traditional games, yes. But they only affect scoring, not the actual gameplay. So if you're not that serious about mahjong (i.e. gambling), it is ok not to have them. Ham Pastrami (talk) 04:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

How is scoring for a hand affected by having a kong instead of a pung? —Preceding unsigned comment added by AliasMarlowe (talk • contribs) 19:36, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

It isn't, unless you win by a kong. In that case you get an extra point for the hand. Ham Pastrami (talk) 04:29, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Nine Gates

十三么 (8 fān + any tile in the same set) - Known in English as the thirteen terminal hand or the thirteen wonders, this occurs in 13-tile variants when the winning hand consists of one of each one, nine, wind, and dragon, and a 14th tile that matches any of the other 13. Because the hand is so greatly divergent from the standard hand, this hand is generally considered the highest scoring hand of any kind (although it is not the hand that is least likely to occur - the nine gates is said to be some 450 times more rare), barring criteria that are probabilistic in nature. Thus, in scoring systems where a maximum point value is imposed, this is often an automatic maximum-point hand.

What are the nine gates? It does not seem to be specified on this page. --jftsang 21:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Apologies, I found it. :-) --jftsang 21:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] pinyin

Shouldn't this be in jyutping considering this is a pretty Cantonese-exclusive scoring system (Hong Kong Mahjong scoring rules). I mean, if these were Chinese scoring rules, I can see why we would have pinyin (and maybe jyutping), but these rules are from Hong Kong. As much as pinyin is widespread, I think we should keep Cantonese-originating things in jyutping. Pandacomics (talk) 10:49, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree, but I also question whether the amount of translation in the article is necessary at all; this is ultimately an article for English readers. Some key phrases like zimo might be of interest, but I don't think anyone really plans to use the Chinese pronunciation of Thirteen Wonders. Ham Pastrami (talk) 04:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Seven Pairs

To my knowledge, this is a widely recognized "special" hand. Does anyone object to its inclusion? Ham Pastrami (talk) 04:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I do because it is not standard in Hong Kong. Seven pairs exists in Japanese MJ and Eight pairs (Likku Likku) exists in Taiwanese MJ. Hong Kong MJ does not have Seven pairs. It should be removed. DietEvil (talk) 08:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Special hand means special hand. Not all people play special hands. Leave it in as some people do. Some people play 7 pairs, some don't. Most computer programs don't even have 13 yiu. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.168.118 (talk) 05:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Is this standard scoring?

I've been looking everywhere for correct fan scores for each hand, but so many different places have different fan for certain hands hands 7 fan and lower seem pretty standard everywhere but i've seen for example: 小三元 range from 3 to 6 大三元 13 小四喜 range from 6 to 13 大四喜 13 example sources: http://hk.geocities.com/terryrashes/mj_lesson_3.htm http://www.igame.com.tw/help/help_mhk_main.htm i'm not trying challenge the scoring presented on the page, i'm just wondering why there are so many different fan values and if there's a standard one —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.12.59 (talk) 13:06, 24 February 2008 (UTC)