Talk:Honey Smacks

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Why is "Kellogg's" italicized? —tregoweth 19:38, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

why does kellogg's site not have smacks on it?

Contents 1 UCM & RAAN controversery 2 Honey Smacks vs. Smacks 3 Urine Smell 4 Fair use rationale for Image:Honey Smacks.jpg 5 Fair use rationale for Image:Honey Smacks.jpg 6 Fair use rationale for Image:Sugar smacks.jpg

[edit] UCM & RAAN controversery

I looked pretty thoroughly and found nothing about these groups or any article supporting this claim that didn't cite the wikipedia article as its reference. Methinks this was a jokester from ytmnd during the brief Dig 'Em fad over there.--Doom Music 19:55, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Honey Smacks vs. Smacks

"In Europe, they have always been known as Smacks."

Honey Smacks and Smacks were two different cereals at least in the UK. Smacks were just like Quaker Sugar Puffs, and Honey Smacks were similar but with added honey or something. I only recall seeing Smacks in Kellogg's variety packs (some of which also contained Honey Smacks), whereas I remember having Honey Smacks out of boxes that contain a lot more than half a serving. And for the record, Honey Smacks were advertised on TV over here with a parody of I Can't Help Myself (Sugar Pie Honey Bunch) ("My Kellogg's Honey Smacks, you know that I love you....") -- Smjg 21:16, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

At least in Germany they have always been known as Smacks. --Thiesi 23:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid that's not correct. In Germany they were first known as "Honigpops", which seems to be the same as Honey Smacks. I think the name "Smacks" has only been known since the early 90s. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.81.221.245 (talk) 22:51, 8 May 2007 (UTC).

You are of course right - I should have tried to verify my statement before making it. --Thiesi 14:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Urine Smell

After eating this cereal your urine will smell like the cereal, much like Asparagus. Think its worth a mention somewhere in the article, maybe not what anyone will expect to see but it is an interesting fact. P.S. Dont believe me? Eat a bowl right before you goto bed, when you wakeup and go to the bathroom, take a wiff, its not pretty but it does smell like the cereal.--Azslande 04:15, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I added it, but Mipadi removed it, claiming Not Encyclopedic before discussing the matter, if no one comments within a week, I will re-add it.--Azslande 06:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Simply not encyclopedic. It doesn't matter how it makes your urine smell. In fact, it's edits like that that make it hard for some people to take Wikipedia seriously. – Mipadi 16:27, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but it is a fact of the cereal, something uncommon about it that is noteworthy. It is mentioned in the Asparagus article, why not here? Sure the mechanic's of why Asparagus alerts the smell is better known, but why should it be mentioned there and not here?--Azslande 22:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Because it's not noteworthy. It's not encyclopedic. – Mipadi 05:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Well... I am not going to argue the point, I do not wish to start an edit war over something so trivial, but I wish we had other standpoints lol.--Azslande 18:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

If someone can provide a citation (thus providing verification and some minimum of notability) for this phenomenon, it would be worth including in the article (I'll just not read Wikipedia over breakfast).

Unreferenced, it's WP:OR, and for all we know that's not milk Azslande is pouring over his Smacks. / edgarde 20:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I can try to find some type of verification via the web, its not quite common knowledge but the information is readily available if searched for, also, try it yourself once, I never really took noticed until a friend made mention of it. And I am from the Pennsylvania Dutch region, get my milk close to home, and if its not milk, I want to know what I've been drinking lol.--Azslande 01:42, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Even if it can be cited, what makes it notable enough to appear in the article? There is no way such information is encyclopedic. – Mipadi 02:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

It's no less notable or encyclopedic than the discussion of the cereal's mascots. Both discussions are trivial in the grand scheme of things, but notable in the context of an article about this cereal. If you were reading an article about a brand of cereal, wouldn't a unique effect it has on the human body be of interest to you? It should not be included only if no legitimate source can be found to verify that it is indeed true. Amillion 17:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

If that be the case, then we should be going over to the asparagus article and removing any mention there of the same fact. As quoted from that article "Some of the constituents of asparagus are metabolised and excreted in the urine, giving it a distinctive, mildly unpleasant odor.". If it be true for that article then why not this article, that would be a double standard to include it in one article and reject it from another. Also, to make note, this is the only cereal I know of that does this, which would make it noteworthy.--Azslande 18:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

It can be encyclopedic, but notability is an issue. I'm thinking a better idea would be to identify the ingredient in Smacks that produces this effect. Especially if it's included in many foods, the urine smell information belongs on the page for that ingredient (rather than for every food containing it).

I'm modifying my opinion. If it's somehow rare or mysterious, and it's notable enough that a few references exist, it's worth including. If it happens with many foods but there is substantial attention to it happening with Smacks, it's worth including. If some blogger says "...and my urine smelled cos I had eaten Honey Smacks", that's not enough to make it notable.

Personally I'm hoping this isn't notable because it's disgusting. But WP:NOT#CENSORED. / edgarde 18:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I never argued that the note about the scent of urine should be included in "Asparagus". I would not be disappointed if it was removed, and have thought about doing that, in fact, since you mentioned it.

As for Honey Smacks supposedly being the only cereal that alters the scent of urine: Just because something is unique, does not make it noteworthy—it could very well be trivial information. This isn't censoring information—it's just leaving out information that is unimportant and unencyclopedic, even if it is unique. – Mipadi 18:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok... How about this... If it turns out one certain ingredient causes this to happen, it be listed on that article, if its not already. BUT if its a manufacturing process that causes this, and I can prove that this is the only or one of the few cereals that causes your urine to change, then it be added to the article, perhaps under a trivia section or an ingredients section. Also, If you like, I will also try and find why this occurs, thus adding some scientific background to the information.--Azslande 19:48, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

We're talking in hypotheticals, but yes, as long as it's also notable. (You really have your work cut out for you.) Trivia sections, however, should be avoided. / edgarde 20:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

LOL this arguement is ridiculous

This is bullshit and I tell you why. I have been eating these forever but just today noticed the effect. I googled a bit to no avail then I was like "I bet the Wiki knows" It wasnt mentioned but then I thought "I bit some dick heads thought it wasnt important got edited out and talking about it here" sure enough... In some way shape or form it needs to be mentioned. 68.226.119.201 09:38, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I have to add my 2 cents. I contacted them to get a straight answer, they didn't have one. Here's the reply - "Regarding your concerns as why your urine smells like Honey Smacks after eating them. Different foods are processed differently in the body and can be affected by combination of foods eaten and the amount of liquid consumed. We do not have a specific answer for why you are experiencing this but if you have concerns you should visit your physician."Swarms 16:46, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I ate a bowl of honey smacks at like 1130 a week ago and went to bed at 12. I woke up this morning and it smelt soooo much like honey smacks!...but i love that cereal so after smelling urine I proceeded to go down the stairs and eat an even bigger bowl. That process continued 2-3 times per day until today. Just figured i would put it out there —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.46.223.156 (talk) 22:15, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Honey Smacks.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Honey Smacks.jpg

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BetacommandBot 20:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Sugar smacks.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:04, 26 November 2007 (UTC)