Talk:Homokaasu

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What has this got to do with hikikomori?

Gooooooooood question. My best guess is (based on the momentary description of "suppression of social interaction" caused by the gas) that someone is writing as if homokaasu actually exists and is being deployed in Japan thus causing hikikomori. -- Antaeus Feldspar 02:00, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Recurrence of accidents? what kind of accidents? MaximusNukeage 23:46, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Read the gay-gas report behind one of the links. --217.140.228.11 20:02, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Implied connection to the gay-bomb? Surely not...

I think current version of "Conspiracy theory" section could be read as the US Army plans for a gay bomb and homokaasu had some real connection rather the two being just a strange coincidence. I think it would be best to just shortly, with only one sentence, refer to gay bomb as a curious coincide. --The Merciful 19:17, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, it is a coincidence, but it's one particular enough to be worth more than a sentence, IMHO. It also serves as a good point of reference, since it's basically the people who would be using it, if they had it, saying "we don't have it; no such chemical is known to exist." -- Antaeus Feldspar 22:03, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

What I meant was that with the way how it is currently written, reader could get confused or mistaken on the matter. IMO it would it would be clearer to just point to "gay bomb" article. For example: "Coincidentally, US army has speculated about developing an so called gay bomb". --The Merciful 07:35, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, I have no problem with stressing that it is a coincidence, but I think it's important to stress, for anyone who might actually think that the "gay bomb" is evidence that "homokaasu" exists too, that the "gay bomb" does not exist, but was only speculation. Other than that, I think all detail can safely be moved to gay bomb if there's anything we have that they don't. -- Antaeus Feldspar 00:26, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

I have read the article and read the guidelines for deletion and do not believe that this article measures up to standards. I have been utilising Wiki for some time and have routinely been astonished by the acuracy and thorough treatment on subjects ranging from from esoteric to pop culture. Allthough I do not feel familiar with the process or Wiki ettiquette to do so, I would nominate this article for deletion on the grounds of all catagories mentioned in the disclamer box at the top of the article. I STRONGLY suspect that this the work of the "Discordians" whom I know of and am fond of. They have many accurate articles allready in Wiki about them and thier printed source materials "Principia Discordia" notably. Those articles belong. This is a pretty well known and international organization. One thing the Discordians are well known for is the purpetration of hoaxes and nonsense. I suspect that this is a hoax of a hoax. The reason I suspect them as opposed to anyone else is as follows, I surfed from a link on poee.co.uk, a Discordian website, to homokaasu.org. Curious, I googled the word homokaasu. All hits on google direct me to the Wiki article or back to the homokaasu.org site. Other hits direct to reviews of homokaasu.org. At least on the worldwide web, no one else seems to be aware of this urban legend of gay gas in Finland. If you read the link to BBC world service on the U. S. military gay bomb, the agent mentioned was an irresistable aphrodasiac which compelled its targets to simply copulate indiscriminantly and logically that would imply fellow soldiers being the nearest available objects of affection. Nothing in the BBC report indicates that this is the mythical homokaasu capable of changing sexual orientation. Even if my suspicions about the Discordian involvment are completely wrong, this has the earmarks of a hoax. In other words, the urban legend is no more credible than the gas of its subject matter. -- Devta Khalsa 63.239.252.1 09:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability issues

As a long-term Finnish usenetter I can assure you that the urban legend is somewhat more credible than the gas of its subject matter. Gay gas is a legend in the Finnish Usenet circles [1] and [2]. AFAIK in the eighties a mentally ill person wrote the gay gas reports. No-one else took them seriously, so it was not really a hoax. Somehow, the reports found their way into the internet, and Finnish usenetters started to appreciate their camp value. I am not sure if the article belongs to Wikipedia, however, since the Finnish usenet circles are rather small. As their insider joke homokaasu probably is not notable enough to be included. However, the article is at worst a vanity article about the humor of Finnish usenetters, and it definitely is not a hoax of a hoax.Punainen Nörtti 09:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

There seems to be no way to establish the notability of the article. All we have is the following: (1) The usenet searches I linked above. (2) The original Finnish gay gas report has been mirrored in a couple of places: The homokaasu.org copy linked in the article, Raivio's copy [3], along with two other Rissanen's reports, and [4]. (3) The sect of Homokaasu, named after the substance. I'm afraid that's all.Punainen Nörtti 07:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Update: Niilo Paasivirta's celebrated Game of Satan[5] (warning: pornographic images) satire mentions the homokaasu folklore.Punainen Nörtti 14:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

From Mikrobitti (11/2005), the leading Finnish computer entertainment magazine: Hörhösalaliittoihin lukeutuu myös suomalaisen nettikulttuurin kestosuosikki, toista vuosikymmentä verkossa kiertävä homokaasuraportti. Tämä ehdottoman luotettava dokumentti paljastaa Vatikaanin katalat pyrkimykset käännyttää Suomen kansa homouteen huoneilmaan ja limujen poreisiin ujutetulla kaasulla. translates as follows: Oddball conspiracy theories include also a long-term favourite of the Finnish internet culture, the gay gas report that is circulating in the net for the 2nd decade. The absolutely reliable document reveals the hideous attempts of Vatican to convert the people of Finland to homosexuality by leaking gas into the air in houses and into the bubbles in soda.Punainen Nörtti 18:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I saw the original report (or at least that digital copy of it in plain text file format) first time back in the early 1990s or very late in the 1980s, when it started popping up in various dial-up BBS systems – usually as a downloadable file, or posted to some less-than-serious message area. All in all, it seemed to be a well-known text file at the time, in textfiles.com sense, and people on various BBSes were cracking jokes about it from time to time. I only got access to the Usenet and the sfnet.* hierarchy of Finnish newsgroups later so I’m not sure whether the file was originally put in circulation there or among the dial-up BBS subculture. Could have been either way. — Jukka Aho 01:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

It has also been mentioned in Tähtivaeltaja a few times. I think one of those mentions stated folklorism deparment of University of Helsinki had shown some interest into Homokaasu pamflets. The Merciful 10:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you gentlemen, I stand corrected. ---Devta S Khalsa 63.239.252.1 18:15, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

So you all really think ravings of a Finnish lunatic should be preserved? Just because they happened on the usenet? This feeding of misinformation to Wikipedia is not really funny. It is part of Finnish culture, making gullible foreigners believe strange things about us, and our country. But I think it is juvenile to try to pull this stunt on Wikipedia.88.195.119.17 (talk) 12:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This is an urban legend?

Urban legends are stories which are taken seriously or at least considered plausible by a significant number of people. I don't think this is an urban legend. --Lakefall (talk) 18:23, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I removed claims that this is an urban legend from the article. --Lakefall (talk) 18:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)