Talk:Homicide
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[edit] Familicide
I just created a new page on Familicide but it quickly became a candidate for speedy deletion due to its limited, dictionary-definition content. It is my wish that the psychology and crime scholars among you help me expand the article's content so that it will no longer be considered beneath Wikipedia standards. Thank you. J.A.McCoy 00:36, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] vandalism
It seems that at least two people keep replacing this article with one about a pro wrestler, even though we already have an article about him, a disambig page, and a note at the top of the current article. I reverted the page and noted this in the edit summary. WindAndConfusion 06:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Check and double-checkMneumisi 14:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
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- nor is the legal justification of necessity a defense.
IIRC correctly, that is a serious misunderstanding, and the reality is that lack of a reasonable belief that the killing was necessary is the reason that the defense is seldom successful. I've no reference one way or the other, so i've left the article noncommital.
BTW, there's not a special burden of proof on the defendant for any of these defenses, is there? Jerzy(t) 22:22, 2004 Apr 14 (UTC)
[edit] Definitions
I don't see how an author can claim that militaries don't view homicides as such: they define being killed by "hostile" and "non-hostile" action differently. Moreover, it's common usage to define the Holocaust as a genocide. -- John Wallace Rich 14:34, 16 June 2006 (GMT)
[edit] Culpable homicide
There's something in Indian law called "culpable homicide not amounting to murder". There's already a link to culpable homicide in Union Carbide. I made culpable homicide redirect here, but it should probably redirect to manslaughter in case the two are the same thing referred to by different names in different countries. Paddu 04:39, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Format
Seems like this page could do with some nice formatting like in the Suicide article. The side-bar with the different types of suicide, etc., looks very appropriate for this page. No time right now. Isoxyl 15:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] References?
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tag on this article. I held off previously, since it's controversial when used on stubs. Is there a concensus?
- Other than the dictionary-type definition, everything else is basically referenced by a link to another article. What should be referenced?Mneumisi 16:47, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- I don't see any reference to any "jurisdictions" using the term "homicide" as murder. See Nolo Press's "legal definition" of "homicide" not including murder, but murder is a homicide.
- http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/Term/51AB22D3-86AB-4B55-8648BC28B45909C0/alpha/H/, defines the legal definition of homicide to specifically include deaths as a result of war:
- The killing of one human being by the act or omission of another. The term applies to all such killings, whether criminal or not. Homicide is considered noncriminal in a number of situations, including deaths as the result of war and putting someone to death by the valid sentence of a court. Killing may also be legally justified or excused, as it is in cases of self-defense or when someone is killed by another person who is attempting to prevent a violent felony. Criminal homicide occurs when a person purposely, knowingly, recklessly or negligently causes the death of another. Murder and manslaughter are both examples of criminal homicide. John Wallace Rich 2:22, 16 January 2007 (GMT)
- http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/Term/51AB22D3-86AB-4B55-8648BC28B45909C0/alpha/H/, defines the legal definition of homicide to specifically include deaths as a result of war:
[edit] Homicide Template
Right, I don't know how to edit templates, so I'm going to put it out in the open. The Homicide template says "honor killing", but the actual article uses the Commonwealth spelling of "honour". The template needs changing to reflect this.
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[edit] Is "homicide" illegal anywhere?
By that I mean are there any statutes that define "homicide" as a crime? I can find none, and if no one else can I think the statement should be removed.Mneumisi 22:59, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't understand what statement you are referring to? It's not so much, "anywhere", but in some circumstances (e.g. self-defense) that homicide is not a criminal offense. In other circumstances (and places), homicide is criminal. --Aude (talk) 23:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- No, I mean does any jurisdiction define "homicide" as a crime. There would be a statute that says "homicide is the unlawful killing of a human being," or something similar. This article has a specific statement that somewhere they define a crime by calling it "homicide," and I'd like to know where.
- "Homicide" is too generic a term. I'm not familiar with laws everywhere, to know of any specific statutes and what they say. But, I think most places would have some form of justifiable homicide statutes, as well as various criminal homicide statutes. So, simply saying "homicide is the unlawful killing..." is not always accurate. --Aude (talk) 05:23, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- I know that the FBI uses "Homicide" in its statistics, but breaks them up into murder, non-negligent homicide, etc., and texas law (of which I am most familiar) titles the section on unlawfully killing people "homicide," but I am aware of no jurisdiction where the crime is actually called "homicide." There are too many laws in too many places for me to categorically say that it isn't, though.Mneumisi 20:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- "Homicide" is too generic a term. I'm not familiar with laws everywhere, to know of any specific statutes and what they say. But, I think most places would have some form of justifiable homicide statutes, as well as various criminal homicide statutes. So, simply saying "homicide is the unlawful killing..." is not always accurate. --Aude (talk) 05:23, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- No, I mean does any jurisdiction define "homicide" as a crime. There would be a statute that says "homicide is the unlawful killing of a human being," or something similar. This article has a specific statement that somewhere they define a crime by calling it "homicide," and I'd like to know where.
[edit] Is suicide a type of homicide?
That's what the table on the right shows. Is homicide defined explicitly with respect to "another" human being? Wikipedia brown 03:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
- A good question - the definition needs changing to cover suicide if this is the case, otherwise the article and template needs to change. Similar is genocide - the definition says it is the killing of another human being, not a whole race or human beings. We need some clarity over this matter. Richard001 22:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- I think Genocide is covered since it is the killing of lots of other people, although it can include other aspects other than killing. The only controversial thing about suicide is the definition of killing another human. It could simply say killing "a" human, and suicide would be included. In the end, however, i don't think it matters much one way or another.Mneumisi 19:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
- I just looked up "homicide" on dictionary.com and it says "another". Therefore suicide doesn't belong on the list of types of homicide (if it did, the suicide page would require some non-trivial modification). I am going to remove suicide from the list. Please discuss here if you feel differently. Wikipedia brown 02:53, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- I think Genocide is covered since it is the killing of lots of other people, although it can include other aspects other than killing. The only controversial thing about suicide is the definition of killing another human. It could simply say killing "a" human, and suicide would be included. In the end, however, i don't think it matters much one way or another.Mneumisi 19:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Murder of one's own family
What is the correct term if you murder your family? Lewisbell 09:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- Parricide seems the closest from the list. By the way, please use a more descriptive title for headings (I've changed it from 'question'. Richard001 02:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Adding abortion to the template
No one yet responded to my comment on the template talk page, so I thought I'd post here. What about adding a section to the template called "Disputed Homicide", or "Debatable Homicide", or some such, and listing abortion under it? It is significant that the entire "Pro-Life" stance bases its position on the claim that people are alive and human from the moment of conception, and they argue that science is on their side just as much as the "Pro-Choice" stance does. If a significant portion of the population considers it homicide—even while a different significant portion doesn't consider such—then it at least needs some sort of acknowledgment. -BaronGrackle 16:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Regarding types of homicides
What would be the term, by US law, for performing an action (or failing to perform an action) which indirectly resulted in the death of another?
For example, not calling emergency services in a situation where it was needed and thus causing the death of someone who could otherwise be saved. Or, interfering with the medical treatment of a person resulting in death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.69.228.17 (talk) 06:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
