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[edit] US centric
This article seems a bit cool. In East Asian countries especially, homework is usually long lists of wierd questions. This can take up to 19 hours a day, as many parents pay for public tutors to help with their children's homework. Book reports? In Year 1243, primary school could have 250 questions of integers. 218.103.142.7 15:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Just a random thought: who invented homework? 06:44, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Is anyone else out there concerned about excessive homework? We are seriously thinking about tit our school board on the subject. Please reply to me through my wikipedia account, if interested. You won't be able to do this if you don't have a wikipedia account, so another way to get hold of me is through my weblog, mondegreen (http://radio.weblogs.com/0118865/). --Erik Neu 05:13, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
"In the Asperger Syndrome community in Deusifal, including in the Deusifal Parliament, a case study has been made known of a child author having his book-writing chance ruined unfairly by an abusive homework load." Is there any information avaliable on the internet about this? If so, it should probably be linked and mentioned. As it is, there is nothing to prove such a case study exists. Alreadyinuse 14:13, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone know if there is actually a page to go to for help with your homework, instead of just about homework? Thanks. --kekenkenka 01:00, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Removal of trend to lessen homework
I feel that there has been a trend to lesson homework. That has been happening at my school. (I'm only 76 but I still contribute to wikipedia, I hope my age won't affect anyones opinion about the seriousness of my contributions, except spelling.) It has obviously been happening at at least one other place as seen by it apearing in the article at all. Howabout1 23:48, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Hi! I'm 76 (77 in a month)and not sure what I'm doing. I think that there is too much homework in schools though there may have been a lessening. Bookaddict 00:59, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm 78, and in past years, I had a lot of homework. Now, if I work quickly, I can usually finish my homework during lulls in classes.
- I agree that the amount of homework should be less. The number one reason I don't like school is because of the homework. -24.6.221.189 00:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- Homework spoils the fun experience of learning. It has been making me all irritable because the teachers don't listen or care. I believe more work should be in class where the teacher can help the student in his/her learning. --ginbot86 —Preceding comment was added at 23:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I'm 76, I do often get a lot of homework Superhelix
- I'm 79, and I've never heard of the 60-hour rule before. I get many hours of homework a day. By that rule I should only get 50 hours, but since I was 8 or 9 I don't recall ever having a total amount of homework under an hour. Where does this rule come from? Great if it could be implemented... --WPholic (talk) 02:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
- Hi. I'm <age removed>, and this is a comment. The thing is, a talkpage like this one is NOT for disscussing the topic of the article. It is for disscussing the article itself, or more specificly, for discussing possible improvements to be made to the article, etc. So, this means the page is not meant for discussing how much homework you have, but for disscusing improvements for the article. If you can add, say, a note to the article about how different schools often give out different amounts of homework, and can also add reliable sources, then sure, you may discuss it here. Note that wikipedia usually mentions things on a global scale, so homework may be slightly different in one place than another. Thanks. ~AH1(TCU) 22:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Rehaul?
I was considering a major rehaul of the "Homework" article. It'd probably be several times longer, enough to promote it out of stub status, and include much more information on common types of homework and homework policies. I'd even like to get in a little history, if possible, but if I can't find anything I would leave that for a later editor to insert.
The main problems I see:
1. Length - Homework is a bigger issue than this. It needs something more than a stub; a lot of information is missing.
2. Organization - Partly due to being so short, there's barely any organization at all. The article's topics don't follow logically. Information is inserted arbitrarily. The article needs a more overlying outline structure so new additions with work in seamlessly.
3. Sentence flow - This isn't too bad, but some of the wording here and there is a little awkward. I'll try and check over grammar as well.
4. Neutral point of view - Again, mostly okay, but the tone is still weighted towards homework being a bad thing. I personally do tend to agree with that sentiment, but it's not supposed to be overexpressed here. The information about negative opinions will stay, but a more balanced framework with room for information on positive opinions would feel more neutral.
I'll try and do the rewrite soon, and check it over with some people before submitting. I just wanted to post before doing anything major, so that people would know what was going on and have a chance to voice opinions.
171.66.178.164 11:02, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Agreed
This article isn't great, and clearly it seems very biased. No links but personal opinions of school kids.
Me too, this is too short the arguments don't seem powerful or descriptive enough, and although I'm on the anti-homework side the article has some POV problems. There was also some really ugly spelling in the last paragraph, which I fixed. I'd go for the rehaul. --Sebbyj 04:12, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] External link refence
I would like to suggest my blog's link in the external links reference. The blog may not make much sense to you as it is according to the Indian education board.
Thanking You, Prateek Saxena
I did not get you can you please elaborate on what you just said.
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- In other words, you cannot add the link. --PhilipO 18:26, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
but there are already many links at the end of the page!!
[edit] Whats wrong with modern education
Education without homework(including long term assigment/coursework) would be a thousand times better.Another idea is to make most subjects optional: If you don't want to study Arts or Biology you could skip them entirely. One of other factor for education unpopularity is the pressure on students to improve and get better grades.Why teachers can't accept that some might not want to study "hard" just study good enough without any pressure or stress.
Interesting theories, but Wikipedia cannot publish original research, nor is it a place for posting essays, however, if you could get that idea a bit more organized, it sounds like worthwhile reading. By the way, you can sign your comments by adding four tildes (~~~~)at the end of your comments. Emmett5 03:33, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Mozart
- OKAY... serious POV issue there. This scientific study was clearly biased and should be removed from Wikipedia. Saying that Mozart only promoted brain activity for a small amount of time, well, many Mozart fans would disagree. - User:Jonathan235|OKAY... serious POV issue there. This scientific study was clearly biased and should be removed from Wikipedia. Saying that Mozart only promoted brain activity for a small amount of time, well, many Mozart fans would disagree. -User:Jonathan235|OKAY... serious POV issue there. This scientific study was clearly biased and should be removed from Wikipedia. Saying that Mozart only promoted brain activity for a small amount of time, well, many Mozart fans would disagree. - Jonathan235
- Triple posting is not appreciated. Mr. Quertee 18:22, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] AP Work
-Do we really need a source here: "In the US, students enrolled in Advanced Placement or AP courses are generally given twice the amount of homework than students not taking these courses [citation needed]."? I can tell you from experience it s very true. Some AP Course can have up to 5hours of Homework a week as opposed to 2 in a regular course. I don't think it is documented anywhere, just more of a common knowledge type thing. Longbowe 02:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Citations are always important. Antecdotes are often informative, but statistics are the heart of any fact, your personal experience may or may not always be true, but a citation could confirm it. Emmett5 03:35, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
My point is that it is obvious it is not my just my personal experience obviously. I didnt make the above quoted comment. Search google and you will get millions of other stories, yet no solid credible sources... Longbowe 01:38, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
--First, just because the homework was harder and it took you twice as long to complete, doesn't necessarily mean that there was twice as much of it. Also, having taken many AP courses myself, I can tell you from personal experience that the "doubbling of homework" is not always true. It all depends on the instructor. Personnaly, I don't see the need to mention AP at all, as the entire section is problematic. AP courses aren't for college credit at all. The AP test can yield credit, but those examinations are open to anyone, not just people who took an AP class. Also, "up to 5 hours a week" sounds like you had it pretty easy. --Srwm4 23:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm presently enrolled in AP US History. We have zero homework. The only thing we have to do is study for our chapter tests, and, well, complete a list of terms, briefly describing them and stating their significance. I'm also enrolled in AP Language - or whatever the third year of English may be - and there is little to no homework in my class with my teacher, save the occasional essay or review questions of an essay we read in class but didn't have time to finish in class as well. From where I stand, AP work seems just as easy, if not easier, than regular class work. But that's... only from where I stand. If I were to do just as you did Longbowe, and not to single you out, I would edit this page and remove the idea, because the way I see it, it's not true. That's why you have to get sources - statistics, in this case. --Soul in Ether 07:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] This article needs more adult perspective
As a student myself, I had just been procrastinating and holding a brief conversation with someone on Trillian. I typed in homework and a wikipedia link came up and, being the gifted procrastinated that I am, I followed the link. However, to my dismay, the article seems quite lackluster and pales in comparison to the thousands of other well-developed articles that I have arbitrarily come across. Why? It seems as though it is a student-written article. Now, I have nothing wrong with students nor the population of the world under the age of 18 working on articles of Wikipedia (why if I were, I would be a hypocrite writing this!), but a sensitive topic such as this really needs to have another adult standpoint. This is the kind of article that can really benefit from:
- A basic discussion of what homework is, variations of homework, and how homework can affect students' lives.
- An elaboration of the two sides of this story: The students and the teachers. Its clear this is a topic of controversy, "define" that controversy. It's a huge surrounding issue of homework.
One can issue a million commands but have not one fulfilled. --Soul in Ether 07:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Circular Reference
The article says "In Australia, some teacher's groups have complained that the support for homework in the first three quarters of schooling comes mainly from parents rather than from the academic institutions."
It then says that it's from the following webpage: [2]
But on that page, it has an older quotation of the same article with the same sentence there. It contains no other reference to Australia. Could someone find a real source or just delete it? --Cheeesemonger 21:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Exuse Me but
has anybody felt that this whole page has been stripped of information? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.103.11.210 (talk) 13:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC).
- yes, definately. i checked this article a while ago and it was abundant with knowledge. Know it is simply a definition! bring back to knowledge!Daniel625 21:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Way too biased
Not only does this article seem somewhat biased against homework, but also the only country that it says anything about is the US!Nathanww 01:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Also, I think that the small amount of info about homework critisism shows one sidedness and lacks any explaination or detail.
[edit] vandalism
not that its any suprise, but someone vandalized the article saying homework sucks and should be outlaws. it pains me to edit out the truth but thats policy. perhaps this page should be watched a little because it does seem like a pretty likely target for vandalism.
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[edit] who wants in?
who wants to get together and get this encyclopedic? i personally think its just a dictionary term, but someone is going to create a homework entry, so we might as well make it a good one. any takers? the_undertow talk 05:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- Are you going to chat? Are you going to wait? Or are you going to contribute? Chill Factor Five 12:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- LOl... homework sucks im doing some right now and it took me all day >:^P
Sry about that comment.. im just mad that this LOTF assignment is taking me all day... i wanna play outside >:^(
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- LOTF = Lord of the Flies? Excellent book. Shows how easily we can revert to savages. It made me mad as hell. I hated it. They killed Piggy! Bastards! Chill Factor Five 00:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] The article still needs...
A section on the role of parents.
A world perspective. It covers history of homework in the U.S., but what about the history of homework throughout the rest of the world? Japan's homework history would be interesting, as would Europe's, and developing countries, etc. Chill Factor Five 00:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
A section on the types of homework, not to be confused with the purposes of homework (many articles on the Web classify homework by purpose and call it "type"). What I'm referring to as the types of homework is the nature of the homework itself (reading assignments, flash card practice, essay-writing, book reports, math exercises, etc.). What types did I miss?
Chill Factor Five 00:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
oral reports, current events, science experiments...show and tell. the_undertow talk 02:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Pictures needed
For the parental section, the article needs a picture of a parent helping his or her child with homework, or sitting down together reading a book.
Chill Factor Five 04:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- is this considered studying? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Teacher.jpg the_undertow talk 04:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Stress
Perhaps include a section on stress. Maybe under criticism, but I remember when I was in school and the large volume of homework was quite bad for my health. (This is my first post on a discussion page so I may have gone about this all wrong and shouldn't have posted here before adding something.)Magikarcher 02:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
- there is never anything wrong with going to the talk page before adding a section. if it was a minor edit, then you should just make the call. WP:BOLD is a good read, and may answer some questions. and because you mentioned that stress personally affected you, maybe WP:OR would be a good read. did i send you enough hyperlinks? happy editing and remember to add sources ;) the_undertow talk 04:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Assessment
The A rating looks just a little too generous to me. Perhaps lowering to a B grade and submitting it for good article status would be a good idea? I think it's wise to seek GA status before lifting a rating to A level. Richard001 07:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
- Agree; making the change. A-class should be above GA, and almost FA; I'm not sure this article is GA. Attention is needed to WP:MSH, WP:LEAD, citing, using Further information or See also templates per WP:GTL, a global view, and comprehensiveness. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:35, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Debate
Homework is such a given among students themselves, I'm not sure this article reflects just how debatable homework has become. Several books have recently argued that assigning too much homework so young, for instance, is actually bad on children and hurts education. This point of view needs to be summarized in more depth, especially since many students know nothing OF the debate, with links for more info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.144.52.79 (talk) 14:04, 15 May, 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Resources section
I'm of a mind to delete the whole section; this is an article to describe homework, not to help educators, parents, and students with it. There should be at most 2 or 3 really good sites that help with homework. Phony Saint 01:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed, It's a nice-looking section, but it's basicly a directory, and WP:NOT#DIRECTORY. The 2 or 3 "really good sites that help with homework" might belong in Homework help service (maybe), but not this article. / edgarde 02:02, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Done. the_undertow talk 03:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
There as been a regrowth of links, especially to commercial sites, in the latter portion of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pleasantville (talk • contribs) 12:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- I snipped a few more. Chill Factor Five (talk · contribs) had left a few editor comments recommending services he wanted preserved, and says on his Talk page he intends to keep restoring "free" commercial links.[3] But since they aren't unique sources of information on the subject of Homework, they should come out. / edgarde 13:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
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- That sentiment was from March. I'm sure he is more than open to a consensus. There is no need to talk out of school (how appropriate). Why not just leave a message on his talk page? Be Bold. the_undertow talk 02:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Critisism
I agree with this section, it says homework may be bad for you, my proof is that i really excel in maths and ive hardly done homework, and someone in my class does all their homework and they struggle, lots. However i have asperger syndrome and i think i excel in maths because of that though.90.240.114.176 23:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] IB
the IB data seems to be way off, 7 hours of homework is from 16.00 (Time many students get home) to 23:00 (not counting dinner, getting concentrated etc. --Armanalp (talk) 15:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC))
They don't sleep at 23:00. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.86.201 (talk) 05:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
You misunderstand me. I have, as a student, worked that amount of time in short "bursts". Nobody can study for 15 hours a day for long periods. --88.242.172.41 (talk) 17:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Homework
I think what wikipedia said about homework was totally right —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.154.21.46 (talk) 04:59, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
