Talk:Homestar Runner Wiki

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This article was nominated for deletion on October 30, 2005. The result of the discussion was Keep. An archived record of this discussion can be found here.

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[edit] Original Discussion for move

Discussion for move of User:Kookykman/HRWiki article in progress to here.

Arguments for move
  • The current page is a redirect with a paltry edit history. - Kookykman (talk • contribs)
  • There is nothing of significance in this page, and that one link will be present in the new one. --Stux 18:02, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
  • The HRWiki is definitely a significant wiki, it deserves it's own Wikipedia article. -- Kilroy
Arguments against move
  • We do not deserve an article. So far, all that we need is a link on the Homestar Runner article. rogue Leader
  • First, a small note (because this happened to me just recently), many of accounts seemed to have been logged off during our edits. If this is really Rogue, then please re-sign this with your account so that we know for sure that it is you (the edit shows up as an IP address).
Now, to buisness. The page has been created, much effort has gone into it, and the Wiki is popular and significant enough that it merits its own page. Personally, I think it is worthwhile. Besides the redirect is doing nothing right now and at least visitors will be given an opportunity to get to know a little about the HRwiki (which is linked to externally in nearly every single homestar runner page in this wiki).--Stux 18:09, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
So, this wiki deserves an article but all others don't? We really don't need an article. I frankly don't caare how much effort was put in this page either. Just put it on the list of wikis page. Rogue Leader 19:41, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
It is on the list of wiki's page, I was looking at that page myself not too long ago. Wikipedia itself has a wiki page. Everything2 (which doesn't use MediaWiki) has a page, Uncyclopedia has a page too! Just by browsing the page, relatively smaller sites like OpenFacts, Public Diplomacy Wiki, Javapedia, TWiki and PlanetMath (the last two of which don't run on MediaWiki) all have entries in this encyclopedia. A mere link to the Homestar Runner page is not sufficient for a wiki of this size. --Stux 20:09, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

You do not get it. Our wiki is not big. it is small considered to all of the others. Also, have you seens any wiki that has a page that is our size. Rogue Leader 20:14, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

It is small compared to Wikipedia, Everything2 and Uncyclopedia yes. That is quite certain. However, the HRWiki does not have 2,000,000 hits in the main page alone for no reason, even if there are only 1,100 articles. From the links I posted above these are the stats I could find:
  • Public Diplomacy: 88 main page visits (the page is empty), 1,046 total pages, This includes "talk" pages, Excluding those, there are 135 pages that are probably legitimate content pages, 11,335 page views, and 1,025 page edits since the wiki was setup.
  • OpenFacts: 48,698 main page visits, 1,805 pages, This includes "talk" pages, Excluding those, there are 703 pages that are probably legitimate articles. 1,126,402 page views, and 20,039 page edits.
  • Javapedia: In the month of september they had 212,796 page views, which amounts to about 2,553,552 pages views/year or 5,107,104 page visits (estimated) in the last two years.
  • Planetmath: it has 11,218 users (many of which contribute only once or don't contribute at all), and 4,661 encyclopedia entries, unfortuantely I could not get the visitor count due to technical difficulties.
  • HRWiki: 2,009,179 main page visits, 10,152 total pages, this includes "talk" pages, Excluding those, there are 1,122 pages that are probably legitimate content pages, 19,959,745 page views, and 185,502 page edits since the wiki was set up.
HRWiki's numbers are still substantial by comparison. I don't see a clear reason why it shouldn't have a page. --Stux 21:00, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

I will spell it out for you. A wiki does not get a page. Rogue Leader 21:06, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Man you're quick! Your post is there seconds after I hit the refresh page! Now... I just showed you examples of um... 5 - 7 wikis with their own page, stats of their respective pages (except the huge ones), explain to me how our wiki does not "deserve" a page? I do not see the rationale behind this. --Stux 21:09, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Fanstuff stats: 123,017 main page views, 22,639 total pages in the database, This includes "talk" pages, excluding those, there are 6,312 pages that are probably legitimate content pages, 2,218,999 page views, and 162,975 page edits since the wiki was setup.

Do you see any other major wikis that have a page? Also, those pages are wimpy sutb pages. That is barely a mention anyway. Rogue Leader 21:14, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

I see many. I only listed a few. Have you taken a look at the list of wiki's page I hyperlinked above? Many of the local links are presented to the left of the external link. --Stux 21:18, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I have looked at it. Half of it is filler content. A quarter is Fan Stuff and forum, and the last quarter is the knowledge base. This article will do nothing at all for the wiki. Rogue Leader 21:21, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry you feel this page (that is actually describing two separate sites) to be useless. By the way, the page I asked you to look at was not the new proposed page you just described, but rather the global list of wiki's this encyclopedia maintains. --Stux 21:28, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Whooops. Yes I looked at it. have you seen that most of them are red. Rogue Leader 21:34, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

I wouldn't say most... eyeball figure... about a little less than a quarter. --Stux 21:52, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
No, a lot of it is non essential information. Rogue Leader 23:41, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
A great saying is the best thing I could think up at this moment: "We'll have to agree to disagree". --Stux 01:40, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
I think the stats say it all. And how exactly is this page useless? —GWR 2004
Rouge, if all articles were on essential facts, then why have an article on the Confederate States of America? The country no longer exists, so it can't be a fact that's essential to everyday human life. Why note that some scientists celebrate Newtonmas on Issac Newton's birthday? Why note the smallest, intricate facts? Because people enjoy knowing these things. People come to Wikipedia to learn. If only obvious facts were included here, then who would be interested? - Kookykman (talk • contribs)

Hi, all. I'm InterruptorJones, an admin over at the Homestar Runner Wiki. Firstly, I'd like to make it clear that this article wasn't instigated by any of the HRWiki staff. Our users are very.. enthusiastic (in fact, I believe this is the second or third attempt to create such an article). Speaking for myself and no one else, I don't believe that the Homestar Runner Wiki needs its own article on Wikipedia. It's a wonderful wiki and I'm very proud of what we've accomplished there, but as web sites go it's not especially notable. There's already a link to the HRWiki on the Homestar Runner article, and that's enough for me. InterruptorJones 03:24, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, It seems that if it is recreated, I am more than against this page. Rogue Leader 22:58, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not paper. The Homestar Runner Wiki is a sufficient enough wiki to have a Wikipedia article. -- Super Sam 05:49, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
The question that we are supposed to be asking here is if the page is accurate and complete, not the number of hits on its main page or the number of registered users. If a page about a "small wiki" is detailed enough, then it is worth a spot in this Wiki. Like Sam said, Wiki is not paper. - Kookykman (talk • contribs)
Ok, I think that I need to restate this again. It. Has. Been. Recreated. Once. Before. Rogue Leader 01:51, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Neutral comments

Since no one is responding, I am marking this for speedy delete. Rogue Leader 12:41, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

So you're marking this for speedy delete, even though you're the only one here against it? - Kookykman (talk • contribs)
I did not now how to make a simple TBD template. Also, if you can read, it seems that Interupter Jones was against it. Please do not insult me. Rogue Leader 23:18, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

You know, I don;t want to fight with people about this anymore. Do whatever you want with this. Rogue Leader 23:32, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I should've said something sooner on this page to *all* parties involved, but I'm afraid it is too late to say anything. I was hoping we'd keep the discussion at a civilized and professional level, even though it's been a little heated. One thing I try to do is not take things here personal, and not make direct personal attacks on people, just counter their arguments with strong facts (If I have come across as insulting myself, I apologize). Please take things and say things with a grain of salt. We are all *VERY* passionate about our stances (as our discussion has proved) and that can lead to people taking things personal. This is just a reminder, a friendly reminder, we are all trying to work towards the same goal, to make a most excellent Wiki, we just see things different. --Stux 20:39, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Page moved

I have moved the temporary page from Kookykman's user space to the article space, as there was no opposition against the move per se, only against the existence of any page under this title (which is dealt with at AfD, see below). The versions of this page before October 22 (when the new draft was started) were kept; later revisions of the original page were lost, but had no content (only redirects and delete notices). The talk page was not moved, as this page is in the way; see User talk:Kookykman/HRWiki article in progress.

The AfD notice has been kept, as the vote is still going on. The vote contained a link to the draft version as well as to the original page, so I assume the AfD is still valid for this page as well. However, that is for the admin who closes the AfD vote to decide.

I hope the results of the move are OK... If not, let me know. Eugene van der Pijll 23:15, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Attention all HRWiki members:

When signing your posts, if you don't have an account on Wikipedia, either create one, or use

[[HRWiki:User:(your user name)|(your user name)]]

to link to your user page on the wiki. - Kookykman(talk)

[edit] Cleanup

Whoever made that last edit (not showing up in my history), thank you for the information, but this needs to be serious. The format, attitude, and grammar needs to be just as it would be in a regular article. - Kookykman (talk • contribs)

Oh, I didn't see your notice that it needed cleanup. Sorry, T-Bird. :) - Kookykman (talk • contribs)
Yea, I'm sorry. It was like... The second edit, so I felt I could just chuck the essentials in there haphazardly. It's starting to take shape now though, so I'll be far more serious. Don't tell Joey or Tom! :) ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 06:10, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sections

I've got the basic skeleton of the different sections ready. This is almost ready to become a stub. - Kookykman (talk • contribs)

[edit] Transition

It says in the page move thing that the move may take up to 5 days. Is there a quicker way to do this? --Stux 18:12, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, if we had a Wikipedia administrator on the HRWiki, we might be able to convince him/her to perform the move now - but I don't believe we do.
That said, note that it says up to 5 days. Since there's already consensus, they're probably more likely to make the move sooner. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 19:41, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
Cool! :) --Stux 21:20, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
If you're looking for a friend in the big wiki, furrykef is a sysop here and at our little wiki (though he hasn't been around for a while, he helped alot in the transition, and he created STUFF). ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 06:12, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Hmm...I'm a Wikipedia administrator on the HRWiki. 1ne 18:12, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestions

Less info about the Fanstuff Wiki, more info about the Forum. Since this is mainly about the HRWiki, I think just a simple paragraph for each would be appropriate. Just suggestions, this isn't my brainchild, so I won't try and take over, but that's my general take on the layout thusfar.

We do need a section about the forum's culture. - Kookykman (talk • contribs)
You're taking this way too seriously. 1ne 20:50, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please Vote

Hi guys, I've noticed that a few of you have contributed to this page, I would like to ask that you vote here for your opinion about the page move. The vote is 2-2 which makes it unclear wether there is a consensus just by reading the page text. Thanks! --Stux 23:13, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Images?

We're in an interesting situation with the images. The logo itself cannot be considered copyrighted, but the images of Homestar and Strong Bad are copyright to The Brothers Chaps. How do I tag this? - Kookykman|(t)(c)

That's a good and rather confusing question. My guess is, now that I think about it, that someone made the H*R and SB images from scratch just for the site. This is basically what happens for fanstuff: if they rip the images from the flash TBC doesn't like it (cuz they're their hard-worked images), but if somone hand-draws it they have no qualms. Whatever copyright restrictions are in place for putting those images in this wiki, would be in place for putting those images as main logos. I'd ask JoeyDay or Tom where they got their logo from in order to investigate the copyright situation. --Stux 04:49, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I think images from the site are considered "screenshots", which are alright to use. But I don't much about it... --HRWiki:User:Rainer

I'll mark 'em as screenshots for now. - Kookykman|(t)(c)
Technically, I don't think this counts as a screenshot of the webpage... as a screenshot would have the text of the page and the browser's controls, all in a bitmap. This is more of a direct copy of one of its elements. Again, I suggest asking someone in the know from the HRwiki. --Stux 15:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
I wouldn't call the logo a screenshot, but I mean the images of Homestar and Strong Bad on the logo are screenshots. --HRWiki:User:Rainer
As long as it's a screenshot, I think it's ok. Bubsty 01:52, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

But it's not a bloody screenshot, it's an image. And the assertion that the images were screenshots, even if true, is no defense. You're looking at a dodgy derivative work of something that's copyrighted under a non-free licence. While that might suffice for other websites, Wikimedia projects can't afford to put up with it. 86.134.91.73 09:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please delete this page.

seriously, why does it exist?

All of these other wikis have pages. —BazookaJoe 19:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't mean they deserve pages, either. By the way, could we get someone who doesn't contribute regularly to this wiki in question (the HRWiki, that is) to rewrite the article? The part about how Joey founded the place sounds like a story. SushiGeek 19:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Because JoeyDay... did make the place. Plus it is better if we have users from the wiki so they can give a more accurate discription of it.--H*bad 04:31, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm aware of that. However, something more neutral than "Joey stumbled upon Wikipedia one day and..." would be preferred, although this article is now merged with Homestar Runner and doesn't really apply anymore. 1ne 18:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Utter crap

This page needs to be gutted and rewritten with verifiable information, at which time, it will probably end up as a stub, or it needs to be deleted. It's crap; it's covered in unsourced rubbish, poorly written and reads like an ad reel from a bunch of twelve year old Yanks. Oh, wait a minute...it probably is.

To the smartass who'll slap that nice little sofixit template on here, don't bother. 86.134.91.73 09:26, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

{{sofixit}} Thanks for not being a jerk about it and voicing your concerns in an appropriate manner. I still love you anyway. —BazookaJoe 12:45, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Just delete this page already!

We should just delete this page. What makes this wiki so special? It's not even that important! This wiki sucks. BiG TiME  — Invisible Robot Fish! 19:13, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you user from the HRWiki for you emotions, because you made a mistake there. This wiki is important because not only do TBC use it, but a ton of others use it as well. Plus isn't this wikipedia, the wiki that is about pretty much everything? I will answer it for you, yes.--H*bad 05:18, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, It may not be unimportant but it still sucks. If your IP is shared you get blamed for vandalism, you can't get your name changed unless you've been there for 6 or less days and they create useless articles like "interupted conversations" and they say that they only do that in Homstar cartoons.  — Invisible Robot Fish! 20:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Well of coarse if your IP is "shared" with a vandal... look get over it. Stop being such a jerk just because you don't like the policy. I mean it is just common sense. If you can't understand it, then that's your problem.--H*bad 04:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
"If you can't understand it..." What if the admins over there decide to have a power trip? 1ne 06:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)