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[edit] Timeline colour scheme

God, it looks like smoke in the eyes. Is there a way to make it look nicer? Perhaps put white instead of the dark gray. No offense, just wanting to make it better.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.240.210 (talk • contribs) 16:32, 19 July 2007

Perhaps you should bring this one up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles, since the template merely follows the design, structure and colour scheme used on just about all other automotive timelines. OSX (talk • contributions) 05:42, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Modifications - Barina, Commodore, Calais, Monaro etc

I have made two modifications, but many more are needed:

1) There is a 'new' 5-door Barina hatch due in 2008. This brings the hatch in-line with the new sedan introduced in 2006. How can we deal with this 'overlapping' in the timeline, though?

2) Monaro production was from 2001-2006. Holden badged vehicles were only produced until 2005, while HSV models continued to be both built and sold in 2006. Sales figures reveal 912 Monaros being sold in 2006, while 152 were even sold in 2007 (however these would have all been built in 2006)

Now, as for the modifications I feel are needed:

1) Overlapping of old VZ Commodore wagon and new VE Sedan production. The timeline makes it look as if the entire Commodore range changed over in 2006, but VZ wagon production still continues. How do we show this?

2) The Commodore/Berlina/Calais should all be merged into a single line. As far as VFACTs sales figures are concerned, these are all the same model. Similarly, the Statesman and Caprice should both be merged as well. These models all change over at the same exact time, so having separate model lines is pointless and redundant. Davez621 (talk) 05:00, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, with the overlapping of the Barina, VE Commodore sedan and VZ Commodore wagon, there is not a lot that can be done. As for the Monaro, the HSV versions are irrelevant on the Holden timeline, so production should be restricted to the Holden versions. The last Monaros were indeed produced in 2005, which was what the timeline previously showed. However, if you read it the wrong way it looks like production ended in 2004. The dark shaded box spreads right to the end of the 2004 box, which indicates production ended in 2005. I have also removed reference to the Berlina, Calais and Caprice models. OSX (talk • contributions) 07:55, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing that up. It really reduces the clutter. You make a good point, but you forget one thing - HSV do not build vehicles, they only sell them. Holden build the Monaro and HSV alter it. The Monaros built in 2006 therefore SHOULD count, because VFACTs do not count HSV models separately. Now, you could argue that Holden built the Toyota Lexcen in the 90s, so that should be in the timeline too? Well, the only difference is that for sales purposes, HSV are counted as Holden, it's as simple as that.Davez621 (talk) 16:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes I realise that HSV to not produce the vehicles, but they are not Holdens, and thus do not belong on the Holden timeline. It is possible that the 2006 models were actually built by Holden in 2005, but modified by HSV in 2006. I think that the Holden timeline should be reserved for the vehicles sold under the Holden nameplate, and not for those built by Holden, but sold under other marques. OSX (talk • contributions) 06:03, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

"Monaros" *were* still being built in 2006. Read the Wikipedia article on the Pontiac GTO - production stopped June 14, 2006. So presumbly, vehicles built in 2006 were being sold as both HSV and Pontiac. Think about it - if Holden had stopped production in 2005, there's no way there would be enough vehicles to last all the way through to 2007! As for the other issue of HSV being a separate marque - as I have mentioned, VFACTS don't consider it to be, for sales purposes. Just like AMG is considered part of Mercedes. VFACTS do not list separate sales figures for Clubsport, Senator, Grange, etc. They are grouped with Commodore and Statesman sales figures.Davez621 (talk) 12:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

(indent reset) As I said before, the HSV Monaros belong on a timeline to do with HSVs. I am aware that such a template does not exist, but that is irrelevant. VFACTS is not some holly book, just because VFACTS include HSVs as Holdens, doesn't mean we have to. If we took up that philosophy, we would not have a HSV article, but rather a short sentence about it in the Holden article. OSX (talk • contributions) 09:48, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Getting rid of Royale

Who on earth decided to include a conversion by an aftermarket company in the official Holden timeline?! Davez621 (talk) 14:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Holden undertook the Royale development themselves. This was because the car had to meet ADR requirements et cetera, but your right the conversion itself was not undertaken by Holden. OSX (talk • contributions) 00:13, 8 June 2008 (UTC)