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Contents 1 Toll 2 Cause of Holland's Death 3 The Liverpool/Birkenhead tunnel 4 change of Hudson template 5 TfD nomination of Template:NYC Hudson River crossings 6 Which Side is Longer? 7 Triva

[edit] Toll

The article mentions that the 50 cent toll was originally enstated to repay the cost to build the tunnel, which makes sense, but it leaves me completely baffeled as to why the toll persists to this day, and so high (6$). According to the article, 33 million vehicles passed the tunnel in 2005; If we assume this counted return trip twice, then we have about 16 million "NJ to NY" tolled trips, or a total income of about 100 million dollars in 2005. If the tunnel makes $100M every year, and according to the article the total cost to maintain it since it was built was just $500M, then obviously a lot of money is being made. Why? By whom? Is this considered acceptable by NJ commuters (who I guess are the ones who are paying these charges)? I think the article should mention some of these issues. Nyh 09:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

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It should be noted that the tunnel didn't close so much for security reasons after 9/11, but so that trucks hauling waste could travel without being in traffic.

[edit] Cause of Holland's Death

According to the Port Authority's[1] website, "Holland dies suddenly in 1927, of apparent exhaustion, on the eve of the day workers from the New York and New Jersey sides are to meet in the middle (a process called "holing through")."

According to Holland's remaining surviving daughter, he died of a heart attack on the operating table while undergoing a tonsillectomy (personal communication).

Clifford Holland was born on March 13th 1883 in Somerset, Massachusetts, the only child of Lydia Frances Hood and Edward John Holland. He attended Harvard University in the fall of 1902, received a degree of A.B. in 1905, and S.B in Civil Engineering in 1906. According to an article written about him in 1925, the work and stress of the tunnel project over-taxed him and his strength failed him. His health became poor, which necessitated complete rest. The Harvard Class of '06 25th Anniversary Report states that he died at the Battle Creek Sanitarium in Battle Creek, MI of Angina Pectoris. It states he went to the sanitatium "on the advice of his physicians because he seemed to be suffering severely from disordered nerves and an attack of nervous prostration was imminent. Careful diagnosis of his condition and treatment was being given when he died suddenly from angina." According to Clifford Holland's Official Death Certificate, he died on the 27th of October, 1924 in Battle Creek, MI of Angina Pectoris. The Marshall Office has all death records pre-1969. They can be reached at (269)781 0718. Are there any surviving descendants?76.19.191.205 01:02, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, there are many descendants. Holland's four daughters each had 2-4 children. He has several great-great grandchildren. One of Holland's daughters is still alive, as of 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.66.96.65 (talk) 02:47, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Liverpool/Birkenhead tunnel

It is believed that the first of Liverpool's two road tunnels (opened 1934) to the other side of the River Mersey followed the principles of engineering used in the construction of the Holland Tunnel. Certain aspects of the Mersey tunnel are very similar in appearance to the Holland tunnel and uses similar ventilation.

[edit] change of Hudson template

Would anyone mind if I substituted {{NYC Hudson River crossings}} with {{Hudson River crossings}}? --Chris 19:31, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:NYC Hudson River crossings

Template:NYC Hudson River crossings has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:NYC Hudson River crossings. Thank you. --Chris 16:42, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Judging from the color of the link (brown), I'd say your nomination succeeded. 68.32.48.42 03:26, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Which Side is Longer?

I have been wondering for ages which state owns most of the Holland Tunnel. I always thought New Jersey owned the most because after crossing the state line into NY it always seems to take a short amount of time to exit the tunnel. (I commute frequently) --Bennyp77 01:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Triva

The holland tunnel is also in the XBOX 360 game The Godfather