Talk:Holiness movement

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A most outstanding book on the subject is YOU CAN GET IT FREE BELOW

Hills, A. M. Holiness and Power from the 1800s i believe

He explains his view clearly , covers scripture thoroughly and gives the testimony of many famous christians of their day. it is simply wonderfull. I personally have over 300 Christian books, I greatly regret I have not come accross this sooner.

to quote from the introduction

"Readers will notice that the author has profusely quoted the written testimony and opinion of many others who have received the Spirit in sanctifying power. That fact gives to this book a great advantage. Had the author made a cheap attempt at originality, this volume would have been no more than one obscure man’s private opinion or theory. But citing, as he has, the testimony of a hundred souls, who have been “filled” with the sanctifying Spirit, the combined verdict of these “living epistles” of God, written in human hearts, makes this volume, like the “Acts of the Apostles,” a record of the work of the Holy Ghost in human hearts. "

you can get it here as a free adobe accrobat file (pdf) http://wesley.nnu.edu/wesleyctr/books/indices/index-h-authors.htm

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I'd like to see this article discuss the history and scope of the movement, whether it's limited to certain denominations, etc. etc. For instance, I think it began in the 19th century, and arguably continues to this day, although it's a bit smaller now than it used to be. But this is very vague; I hope someone can be more specific about this. Wesley 17:17, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality

There are SERIOUS neutrality issues with this article. It's not written as an informational piece, but occasionally exhorts as a sermon. Examples include:

"We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ who died for our sins, even ours." This issue isn't as strong, because the previous line sets it up as something within the holiness movement.

"A christian who thinks that salvation without sanctification is morbidly decieved." Well, one, this isn't even a sentence. Two, it's not making a statement of what the movement believes but is written as a statement of fact.

"Work out your salvation with fear and trembling because it is God who works in us to will and to act according to his good purpose." Hey look, the article now tells you how to address your faith and your life! It's moved from educational to instructional, and has thrown out neutrality entirely.

There are other examples. Unfortunately, I do not know the Holiness Movement well enough to go over this article carefully, but I shall research and return. Until then--seriously, guys, this is an encyclopedia. An informational resource. Go preach on your own time, and while we're at it, let's include some controverseys of the Holiness Movement in the article, because I've no doubt there are some. You know, for balance.

Grenye

Thanks for pointing out those problems. I have removed those sentences. It is self-evident, in my opinion, that those statements did not belong in the article (at least not in the way that they were written). Logophile (talk) 00:23, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Christian perfection and "entire sanctification"

This article equates the Wesleyan/Methodist doctrine of Christian Perfection with Lankford's experience of "entire sanctification"... Is this entirely accurate? Though I'm not, at this point, competent to discuss the differences, I've always understood there to be distinctions between the concepts... Any comments? --Chiacomo (talk) 02:15, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There are variations between the Methodist understanding of perfection and the Holiness understanding of entire sanctification, although Wesley seems to have used those terms interchangabley. I felt that they were similar enough to place on one page, where a good discussion could exist, rather than have two smaller pages. Christian perfection got the nod only because it seems more prominent in the literature, particularly in Wesley. The concepts are pretty darn close, though not 100% identical. KHM03 13:08, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Good enough for me, preacher. What conference are you in? --Chiacomo (talk) 14:51, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Western PA Conference of the UMC. KHM03 15:23, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)