Talk:Holden VE Commodore

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Contents 1 What.....huh? 2 Simple tips to improve your article 3 Gearbox comment 4 Generations 5 Add the price in the intro paragraph 6 Congrats 7 Engineering 8 Trademark? I don’t think so 9 Recalls 10 Sales figures incorrect as they include VZ

[edit] What.....huh?

Where did those great images? Put them back on.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Senators (talk • contribs)

The images included in the article were not free and have been removed from the Wikipedia servers. Does anybody have any pictures of the VE Commodore that they have taken them selves? I so can you please upload them. Regards OSX 00:29, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Simple tips to improve your article

The tips that are listed below you can read them at your on will and accord; they are not criticizing the creator or any contributors of this article in any way:

• To much information on the opening paragraph this will confuse and discourage you readers.
• Need a picture at the top of the article so the reader can automatically see the car without scrolling down.
• There is a big space after the Specifications section please fix that.

In final, there is some edits to do but most are easy fix, a like all the pictures you have on the commodore, good work. Senators 06:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gearbox comment

In my opinion "tired old gearbox" has no place in a encyclopaedia, it's not exactly true either it has been worked over. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.224.27.136 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Generations

This is the forth generation commodore. Generations generally refer to new models. Therefore we would have VB-VL as 1st gen, VN-VS as 2nd gen, VT-VZ as 3rd and the VE as forth - Cartman02au 10:36, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I do see your point. Perhaps it would be a good idea to remove the word 'generation' and just leave "VE Commodore is the fourteenth, and current model of the Holden Commodore." VectorD 04:22, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I was the one who first edited in the first version of the Introductory sentence, and you are both very right about this. I did not take body shape or mechanicals of the different generations of Commodore into account at the time, and I have only now found out that groups of models had the same machinery, and so on and so forth. Thankyou for helping me to see the light, Cartman02au and VectorD. Stealthman 14:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Add the price in the intro paragraph

Thank you. Zephead999 01:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Theres no need for that, since we are not a sales guide. Redbook Asia Pacific is the place to go for that find of information. OSX (talk • contributions) 07:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats

Good work on making the best Feature Article ever, from an Aussie/revhead POV. Fully sick.

Westralian 04:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for the support. OSX (talk • contributions) 07:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd have to concur, very nicely written, great example of wikipedia, cheers to all the editors! sseagle 17:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Engineering

Am I the only one who finds this sentence awkward? "These initial stages of development saw Holden face a dilemma." Congrats nonetheless, for the success of the article. Jlaramee 15:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trademark? I don’t think so

In one of the pictures in the article the caption underneath the picture states that the handbrake in the VE Commodore is a trademarked icon for the VE but it is really a trademark for SAAB because that is where the design came from. I believe that someone should take this out of the article because it is false information. What do the others think?Senators^{Talk | Contribs} 00:00, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I have changed the wording so it now says interchangeable, rather than trademark. By the way, I originally used that wording because I thought that the handbrake system was actually unique to the Holden. Regards OSX (talk • contributions) 04:26, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Handbrake design was taken from SAAB, it is clearly stated in one of the Wheels magazines.Senators^{Talk | Contribs} 23:27, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recalls

This page could do with a recall section (ie: the new recall on the VE by Holden over the fuel line rubbing with potential to spring a leak and cause fire). Timeshift (talk) 23:28, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Why do I get the feeling those advocating the removal of this section have a vested interest one way or another in this car/company? It's completely valid, cited, relevant, and there is no WP:POLICY that says it doesn't belong in an FA article. What utter hogwash. Timeshift (talk) 23:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Please maintain approproiate style at least - it wasn't me who added the section, I was simply defending it's wholesale removal. Feel free to reword as much as you want PrinceGloria. Also, do you realised you just removed part of a quote rather than wording? I've readded the quote but removed the hyphens and replaced with commas. Timeshift (talk) 00:19, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

In this particular case, the fragment mentioned should not be quoted. Suddenly breaking into first person doesn't quite fit the structure of the paragraph - please reexamine yourself. Quoting is not preferred anyway, but I'll let some other users deal with this section and hopefully successfully get rid of it. Regards, PrinceGloria (talk) 00:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Quoting is not preferred? Where on earth do you get your WP:POLICIES from? Is it a full moon today? Timeshift (talk) 00:25, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sales figures incorrect as they include VZ

The sales figures listed towards the bottom of the article are incorrect, because they include the VZ wagon as well. Davez621 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 11:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Click on the footnote in the heading of the "Australian sales" table and it will direct you to the note stating: "Sales figures cover shifted units of VE sedans and VZ Commodore station wagons, along with Commodore-based HSV-modified vehicles." OSX (talk • contributions) 11:50, 16 May 2008 (UTC)