Talk:Holden Commodore

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[edit] Model grouping

Why does this article group the VY and VZ Commodores with the models before them? The VY introduced an entirely new body design. - Mark 07:01, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

No it didn't. In any case the VL gets its own heading and that wasn't a new body design either. The engine change probably warrants it, although the VZ has a new engine but no separate heading... Anyway, you don't like it, change it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.7.183.130 (talk • contribs) 16:24, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Commodore royal wedding edition

I believe Holden produced a royal wedding edition of the Holden Commodore, probably a VC, may have been a VH. The NSW plates had an ER prefix and a mini plate duplicated on the glovebox. Was this a factory product, dealer sales gimmick or just a privateers aftermarket touch? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.139.31.2 (talk • contribs) 22:54, 2 November 2005

[edit] VK Commodore

What happened to it? --Jquarry 01:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Who drives 'pickups' in australia??? changed 'pickup' back to ute. Ditto changed WB 'limo' to Stateman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.135.108.193 (talk) 11:48, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] VR Commodore

I noticed that for the VS commodore it says that the engine retained the cast iron block and cylinder heads from the VR. While the cylinder head was still cast iron,. it was a completely different moulding. The VR still had the mouldings from when the engine was used as a V8 and the spark plugs for the front two cylinders were angled towards each other while the rear ones were angle away from the others. This was corrected on the VS and they all angled from the cylinder head the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.70.18.171 (talk • contribs) 03:49, 6 March 2006

[edit] redirect...

'toyota lexcen' redirects to holden commodore. i have a feeling someone's being naughty... but i don't know how to fix it. just thought i'd let people know. cheers riana 16:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

The reason for this is that the Lexcen was a rebadged Commodore with very little if anything , other than the badges being changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.88.194.74 (talk • contribs) 04:58, 11 June 2006
Ah, derrr, didn't read the whole thing properly. My bad! riana 17:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism and POV statements

We seem to be getting a fair bit of attention on this article. Some is just clear vandalism, but there seems to be quite a bit of attention from those wanting to add point of view statements. I'll try and catch new ones with a citation request. Decromin 16:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wrong Picture

The picture on the VZ part is wrong. the VZ commodore as the fins that the side blinker is on. Its on the guard under the mirror, but it isnt in the picture...How come? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DRK-MRSTR (talk • contribs) 11:26, 14 September 2006

The fake vents on the VZ were only used on the SS and other high level models. The picture shows an Executive, which did not feature these vents. Decromin 16:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not quite a 'full-size' car

I should point out that the Commodore was never a full-size car. For starters, the Commodore has never, and still is not, as big as a Falcon. When the Commodore was introduced in '78, it was significantly smaller than the Kingswood and was much closer to a 'mid-size' car. Although it continued to grow in size with each new generation, it still never quite became a full-size. Look at the facts - the Commodore is still less than 4.9m long, and about 1.85m wide. Those dimensions are about the same as a Camry, 380, Accord, or Sonata, which are all mid-size cars. A full-size is more like 5m+ long and 1.9m+ wide. For example, the Ford Crown Victoria in the US measures 5.4m long - that is a full size car. The Chrysler 300, another full-size car, is exactly 5m long. SOME variants of the Commodore are full-size, however. The wagon and ute are both on a stretched wheelbase, and as such are longer than 5m, as are the Statesman/Caprice. But the sedan with its short wheelbase, still falls short of a true full-size. Davez621 09:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The Commodore is classed as a full-size car in the Australian market. The BF Falcon is 22mm longer than the VE, however the VE is 35mm wider and 32mm taller. Compared to tha Camry, the VE is 59 mm wider, 79mm longer, but 4mm lower. Compared to the Accord, it's 64mm longer, 79mm wider, and 21mm taller. --Richmeister 10:21, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, according to VFACTs, the Commodore is in the large segment, while the Statesman and 300 are in the 'upper large' segment. To me this says that the Commodore isn't a full-size car, because the term full-size implies that a car is in the largest class. You can't go any bigger than 'full size'. Perhaps a compromise would be to use the term 'large' ? Davez621 11:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Large car is a redirect, but it exists. If that's the official Australian classification, we should be using it instead of some North American equivalent. --DeLarge 11:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I will settle on large (according to the Wikipedia article on car classifications, 'large' includes both mid-size and full-size cars), but the Commodore is in no way a full-size car. Davez621 07:33, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Commodore is a large family car in Australia, and is classified as a large car (if not full-size). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.97.238 (talk • contribs) 01:50, 27 September 2006
I think we need the Large Car classification as a stand-alone. The 380, for example, fits the Australian classification of a Large Car, but is listed under Full Size Cars. The identical size Galant is listed under Mid Size. Karldoh 23:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree a separate "large car" classification would be good but according to the full-size car article, a full-size car needs to have greater than 120ft³ of interior space. The Commodore/Pontiac G8 has 124ft³ of interior volume[1], so it could properly be classed as full-size by the EPA at least. VectorD 13:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Forum links - yes or no?

Seems that there are forum links coming back onto this page. These links don't meet wiki criteria, but as other automotive pages have plenty of links to fan forums, I'm loathe to keep removing them. Any thoughts on how to treat them? Decromin 15:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Quite personally, I just use the undo toll in the edit history. Until an easier method is introduced, I am affraid that we're just going to have to deal with it. Regards OSX (talk • contributions) 22:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article separation

Since this is split into separate articles, is the duplication really worth it?? Maybe a few basic notes, and the see X article thing may do? --SunStar Nettalk 00:56, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

HB4026- Ive culled the notes for you. Can you do me a favour to spread out the spacing so it matches the text boxes? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by HarrisonB (talk • contribs) 02:54, 18 February 2007

[edit] Good article nomination

Does anyone think that this article should be nominated for Good Article status? Write your comments below.SenatorsTalk | Contribs 23:52, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

No, since the issues have yet to be addressed. OSX (talk • contributions) 08:08, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
10-4SenatorsTalk | Contribs 21:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I would have no problems with you nominating the article for GA status now, considering the issues have been addressed. OSX (talk • contributions) 08:29, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

Good work on such a long article. It passes on all criteria. Great job!Mitchcontribs 19:21, 24 August 2007 (UTC)