Talk:Holborn and St Pancras (UK Parliament constituency)
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[edit] British English title for a UK subject
In British English, as per Fowler's Modern English Usage and as per Partridge's You Have a Point There (and even as per Readers Digest The Right Words at the Right Time), the rule is that abbreviations only end in a full stop if the last letter of the abbreviation is not the last letter of the word. "Saint", "Mister", and "Doctor" thus abbreviate to "St", "Mr", and "Dr"; whilst "Professor" and "Captain" abbreviate to "Prof." and "Capt.". Ironically, it is United States English, as per Wilson Follett's Modern American Usage, that decrees that "Saint" be abbreviated to "St.". Holborn and St. Pancras is the United States English title for this article. The British English title, as used in the UK press (Times Guardian), is Holborn and St Pancras. Uncle G 11:05, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
- I see you've now spread your responses to a third location ... anyway, please stop relocating this article and putting misleading edit summaries in place. The article was - correctly - created with "St.". If you really and truly consider that it should be moved - in opposition to the standard practice that has been commented about by others elsewhere - then let us try to find a solution that meets with a wider agreement first before you take this repeated and arbitrary action. --Vamp:Willow 12:26, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
- No, just here (where page move discussions are supposed to be) and a user's talk page (where it's less visible for them to be). That's two, by my count. And since we don't control the edit summaries that page moves generate, I don't see what your accusation of "misleading edit summaries" is except a criticism of the MediaWiki software itself, perhaps. The misleading edit summaries are yours, calling this a "POV". "St" is the spelling as used by pretty much all of the sources that we are working from. The "St." is incorrect, both as per our sources and per the authorities on British English usage cited above. Furthermore the standard practice, both within and without Wikipedia is "St", with no punctuation. (I've given you examples both of articles within Wikipedia, such as St John and St Mary, and articles without Wikipedia, such as the links to UK newspapers giving this very name above, where this is the case.) The authorities on British English usage belie you. Other occurrences on Wikipedia belie you. The very sources that we are working from belie you. Heck, even St Pancras belies you (except in those parts where you yourself have introduced your punctuation error). Your notion of what the correct name is, is wrong. As I've already pointed out, whilst waving the "these are English articles about a UK subject" flag you are in fact using United States English rules. Finally: It is you who are taking "repeated action". I've moved this page exactly once, explaining why on its talk page as I did so. You've moved it twice, with no basis for your move, and then accused others of taking "repeated and arbitrary action". Uncle G 13:16, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
[edit] Note of article for deletion
The article on Margot James has been nominated for deletion. Timrollpickering 13:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
