User talk:Hoisanpride

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[edit] Ngangangese

Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion pages. The notices and comments are needed to establish community consensus about the status of an article, and removing them is considered vandalism. If you oppose the deletion of an article, you may comment at the respective page instead. Thank you. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:29, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Given your involvement in this article, you should read the following policies and guidelines. They will help you to be a better editor in the future, and also help you to understand why the article was deleted. You have a lot to add here as a good editor, but you should probably learn a bit of the rules first to stop this kind of thing from happening again. Read these policies:

WP:V on verifiability as a requirement for articles WP:RS on what kinds of sources are reliable sources to verify an article WP:NOT on what wikipedia is NOT... WP:OR on wikipedia's policy against Original Research, which is why this article was deleted.

Also, as you note in your own defense of the article, you admit to lying about the history just to make the article appear more notable. Wow. Please don't do that. This is a venture based on integrity, and we need to assure that editors are not being deliberately misleading in the articles they create. --Jayron32 02:42, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A chat

Hi there. Can I make a suggestion? Before I do that, though, go make yourself a cup of tea - maybe some iron Buddha? - and make yourself comfortable. Got the tea? Okay, now take a couple of deep breaths. Good?

I'm not here to attack you. None of us is. The only reason I'm writing this is because I want you to be a happy, highly regarded member of this community. Really. That's what this is - a community. We're a bunch of very different people, scattered all over the face of the earth, with different backgrounds, ages, experience and cultures, each of whom has decided to contribute, after a fashion, to making an encyclopedia. We all have our own reasons for doing that, but that's the context.

Because we're all so different from each other, there are some guidelines for how we work together. You've bumped your head on a few of those this week, and I'd like to explain why we responded as we did. The first, and most basic thing was that you weren't honest. You tried to make us believe something that you knew wasn't true. Specifically, you tried to make us believe that Ngangangese and , Ingilese were natural languages, as opposed to constructed languages. Deceiving people isn't a nice thing to do. It makes it hard for us to trust you, and to believe other things that you say.

The reason that I came to that article in the first place was to help. I could see that you didn't know a lot about Wiki markup, so I thought I'd help you out. When I read the article, and couldn't find anything about the language, I politely asked you to point me to something that I could read. Your response was to insult me by calling me ignorant. To be clear, that didn't bother me much. I am ignorant, about more things than I know how to count. I'm a little less ignorant about linguistics than I am about other things - I studied it during my doctoral studies - but the point was, I was asking you to help me not be ignorant, and you responded very unkindly. So in short - be nice. We were trying to be, but it's hard to keep that up when every attempt is met with an insult.

On to the suggestion. Constructed languages are a lot of fun. Do you know that there are forums and Web sites where people talk about the languages that they've invented? Langmaker is one that's even a Wiki. I think it's a great idea to construct languages, and I encourage you to pursue it. Passing off your work as a natural language is, of course, not a very good idea, but there's really no need to anyway.

I hope you turn around and become a really awesome contributing editor. You're obviously quite young, but lots of editors here are, and some are very highly regarded for their work. Please don't come out swinging in response to this. Read WP:AGF, WP:NOR, WP:NPA and the rest of the articles that help editors learn how the Wikipedia community works. It's really worth the effort.

Please feel free to ask me for any help you need, via my talk page. Sorry that your introduction to Wikipedia has had a few rough patches. Onward! Waitak 03:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)