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Contents 1 Sermon 2 New to Ho'oponopono 3 Old and New Ho'oponopono 4 Please don't promote businesses or blogs 5 Please explain 6 Early documentation 7 Explanation of edit of Mudstar's post

[edit] Sermon

WP is not the place to put a sermon, as if it were true, nor the place to advertise one's religion or one's healing services. I have removed the sermon, the links, and inaccurate historical claims.

So far as I know, there is no evidence that ho'oponopono was practiced by pre-contact Hawaiians, nor any evidence of it before the 1950s. If there is published evidence, please cite it!

Contemporary Native Hawaiians believe a great many things are traditional that are in fact modern inventions or imports from other cultures. There is also a residuum of pre-contact practices. It is extremely difficult to sort out what is what. Oral tradition is no proof, because it is extremely vulnerable to distortion as it is passed along (at least informal oral tradition -- rhymed sacred texts, like the Kumulipo, are more durable). The only proof would be material that couldn't be distorted -- say, Hawaiian newpapers printed in the early 19th century. Zora 03:11, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Zora, I have been agreeing with you but now I think it depends on the topic. When Hawaiians say traditionally there was a great flood, yes, that could be a recent import. But there is no Biblical reference to a family conference of forgiveness that I am aware of, nor was it documented as a practice of the missionary families or seafaring captains. I am not aware of any Chinese practice. So where would it have come from? Perhaps it is Tahitian? Marquesan? Or is it uniquely Hawaiian? Makana Chai 07:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Updated - just found a reference from Nupepa Kuokoa in 1863. We're getting there! Makana Chai (talk) 00:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New to Ho'oponopono

This weekend was my first strong exposure to Ho'opnopono. After having been agnostic for 15 years or more - this draws me out of my post-new age trauma and into a mind of curiosity on the topic of man, faith and the Divine.

The aspects of Ho'oponopono that I was exposed to have similarities to Jasmuheen's work In Resonance (book) and there is some obvious similarities to A Course in Miracles (book) and books by Marianne Williamson.

Skardicus 23:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

The kumu or teachers of Hawaiian traditions have a saying: "If it sounds New Age, it is." Makana Chai 09:16, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Old and New Ho'oponopono

Just back from Maui and my second Zero Limit's Seminar (relates to the book by the same name and the co-authors). I am nearing my first year as a practitioner of Morrnah Nalamaku Simeona's streamlined version translated through Ihaleakala Hew Len. My yearling impression is that nothing teaches Ho'oponopono like practicing it. I've been searching online for different schools of Ho'oponopono thought. The differences and the debates and the he-said she-said phenomena that I see in some circles of Traditionists vs. Self Identity through Ho'oponopono only weakens the face of Ho'oponopono to the world. Regardless of who is "right" or historically more accurate, when Dr. Hew Len paired up with Dr. Joe Vitale to write Zero Limits, Ho'oponopono (as a word at least) was launched into the main stream of our information-saturated world. The version I have learned teaches me that the only remedy I can apply to anything is within myself. Ho'oponopono infighting seems like an oxymoron to me. I am open to learning more about the traditional Ho'oponopono. Hopefully the traditionalists will have the patience and interest to contribute something to the mainstream as well. Mahalo!

Skardicus (talk) 08:57, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please don't promote businesses or blogs

Aloha! As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia does not allow links or references to websites of commercial sites or blogs. Please cite published sources only. Thank you, Mahalo. Makana Chai 08:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please explain

If you disagree with the revert please explain your reasoning here. Thank you. Makana Chai 18:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Early documentation

I just noticed in The Polynesian Family System in Ka'u Hawai'i Pukui refers to observing a ho'oponopono in 1936 by her relatives on Kauai. Did they bring ho'oponopono with them from big island or is this an endemic Kauai practice? Research continues. Makana Chai 18:06, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Explanation of edit of Mudstar's post

Thank you for coming by and editing. I have edited to make clear that the philosophy is Hew Len's, not necessarily traditional ho'oponopono. I removed the story about the ward of criminally insane -- sorry, there is no independent proof of that. I can tell you there is still a ward of criminally insane at the state hospital. Makana Chai 19:03, 1 November 2007 (UTC)