Talk:HMS Courageous (50)

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My father served on her and told me that Courageous was involved in a collision probably during the 1930's and was shortened som feet. Memory is of the order of ten feet. Does anybody have details.

[edit] Haven't found it yet

I have researched several sources, and I can not find any reference to a collision. That doesn't mean it didn't happen; it just means that I haven't found anything on it yet. Will keep looking.

I did find references to where it suffered moderate damage in the bow and forecastle area on trials as a result of steaming full speed into heavy seas. Plates were buckled and oil tanks opened up and leaked. Additional stiffening was added.

PAUL

I can't find any evidence either. Perhaps you are thinking of her sister, HMS Glorious, which collided with the French liner Florida in 1931? Benea 21:12, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] accidently or not?

These two pieces of information do not make sense when put together…

"During this time, Courageous was stalked for over two hours by the U-29, commanded by Kapitanleutnant Otto Schuhart. Then Courageous turned into the wind to launch her aircraft. This maneuver put the ship right across the bow of the U-29, which then fired three torpedoes." (from this article)

"Am 17.9. versenkt U 29 (Kptlt. Schuhart) westl. Irland die Courageous (Capt. Makeig-Jones †, 514 Tote). Zwar handelt es sich um einen Zufallstreffer: der Flugzeugträger läuft in die Schussbahn der auf einen Frachter abgefeuerten Torpedos." -- "On Sep.17 the submarine U-29 ... sinks the Courageous ... west of Ireland. Though this was a fluke: the carrier ran into the path of torpedoes fired off at a cargo ship." (From http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/39-08.htm) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.83.142.204 (talk) 09:49, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

here is a full account of U-29's sinking of Courageous. It indicates that Schuhart was both aware of Courageous's presence, deliberately hunted her and meant to sink her. Two u-boats were in the vicinity, hunting for an inbound convoy. Schuhart stumbled across Courageous instead and then stalked her. It seems unlikely that having penetrated the destroyer screen, he would have blown his cover by firing at a mere merchant when there was the far more significant target of an aircraft carrier nearby. It also seems unlikely that it was a fluke, that Courageous would have happened to sail into the path of torpedoes aimed at something else. William Jameson's and Mike Rossiter's books on Ark Royal also describe the sinking as deliberate, so I'd be quite sceptical about this being an accident. Benea (talk) 12:54, 26 April 2008 (UTC)