Talk:HKT

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[edit] Purged from Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard

[edit] Jayjg & Tshilo12

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User Jayjg removed a link to the HKT organisation on the HKT disambiguation page, only because his friend HKT is using a similar nickname on Wiki... (is it vandalism?)--Witkacy 22:37, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Please take also a look on Tshilo12 reverts.--Witkacy 23:38, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

The only reason you added it to the article in the first place was to harrass User:HKT; you even discussed it publicly beforehand. It's a dubious usage; the group may have been nicknamed "The Hakata Society", but "HKT" doesn't appear to have been used. Jayjg (talk) 23:42, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and here's where they first hatched their "amusing" little plot against User:HKT: [1]. Jayjg (talk) 23:48, 12 July 2005 (UTC)


The short name of that organisation is HKT/H-K-T, members were called "HKTisten (in German)/HKTists

"...The HKT, or Hakata, were German chauvinists, organized in 1894 for the purpose of eradicating the Polish elements in Poznan province. The leaders of the group were Hahnemann, Kennemann, and Tiedemann..."

See http://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1909/national-question/ch02.htm

Ethnic conflicts in western Poland "...Children became the peculiarly favored butt of the H. K. T. assaults. In schools they were flogged for speaking or praying in Polish..." --Witkacy 00:09, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

"German fears of losing Prussian Poland led to the establishment of the "Ostmarkenverein," (Eastern Marches Association) in 1892. Poles called it the H-K-T or "Hakata" (pron.Hahkahtah), because it was headed by three German landowners: Hanneman, Kennemann, and Tiedemann." http://raven.cc.ku.edu/~eceurope/hist557/lect6.htm (University of Kansas) --Witkacy 00:12, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Witkacy, this is becoming absurd. You have yet to demonstrate that HKT is an acronym that belongs in the ENGLISH Wikipedia. Tomer TALK 00:33, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

In case you can't figure out what I'm talking about, review those sources -- they clarify for the non-German-speaker and non-historian what the acronym means. Including HKT here is analogous to including de:usw as USW. Tomer TALK 00:52, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

Please note that it is a personal crusade against me started by Jayjg and TShilo12 since the Anti-Polonism voting (they are not really interested in the subject)--Witkacy 01:03, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

There is nothing personal about this from my end (I'll let Jay speak for himself). I am interested only in improving WP. On the other hand, Witkacy has, on numerous occasions, engaged in making personal attacks as well as in making trollish reverts to previous (and inaccurate) versions of articles, is maintaining a page of what he apparently regards as "interesting" things said to, by, or about me elsewhere, meanwhile Jay has become involved because I asked him whether or not my nomination for VfD on Anti-Polonism were as horribly inappropriate as the completely unrelated (to my nomination) comments on that VfD page made it seem. My nomination apparently stirred up a hornets nest, and Witkacy, it appears, is chief hornet. At this point, I see no alternative but to request comment, not only on the activities of Witkacy, but also on User:TheUnforgiven, who has inserted himself (whether at Witkacy's request or otherwise I won't even bother to conjecture) into this ongoing dispute. Tomer TALK 01:09, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
On the other hand, Witkacy has, on numerous occasions, engaged in making personal attacks as well as in making trollish reverts to previous (and inaccurate) versions of articles.
I see you are trying to provoke me...:)--Witkacy 01:28, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
WP:AGF. Tomer TALK 02:42, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Assume good faith is hardly what I would consider to be something you've followed. TheUnforgiven 04:24, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Polish sources for the H-K-T thing?

Witkacy, do you have Polish sources for the H-K-T thing? My assumption is that it was Społeczeństwo H-K-T, but I don't have sources at arm's reach. Would it be possible to add the Polish equivalent here as well as in the German Eastern Marches Society article? Tomer TALK 04:18, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

In Poland it's most commonly referred to as Hakata, but in fact it was referred to as H-K-T by the Germans themselves even back then. Check the google books for hakatisten or H-K-T to get the idea. //Halibutt 00:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes. In fact this is an instance of "H-K-T Society". The original, provocative, inaccurate problem edit read: "HKT is the short name for the Deutscher Ostmarkenverein." Note to all passersby: My user name has no relation to this society. :) HKT 01:33, 23 May 2006 (UTC)