Talk:History of the Roma people

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Please add new information about Roma history to this article, not the already oversized Roma people article. Wachholder0 16:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline Information/Merger

The information on Roma History in Timeline of Roma history should probably be moved to this article? Themightyquill 15:01, 2006-04-7 (UTC)

Agreed. I think the articles should be merged. Sadly, I din't know how to set all that stuff up.Wachholder0 21:22, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I have tagged the articles to be merged- I believe the timeline should be part of this article & not vice versa. Comments, anyone?Wachholder0 14:52, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Approve. I suggest merging the general history information from the timeline article into the body of this article, and adding the actual timeline as a separate section on this article. -- TheMightyQuill 16:09, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I changed my mind. Keep them separate, but expand both. I'm removing the tags. -TheMightyQuill 22:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Corrections and missing info

I'd corrected few things. The article as a whole is (IMHO) poster caricature without much of substantial info.

Not all Roma believe that "Roma" is the right name and see it as derogatory and prefere the traditional Gypsy.

Central Europe is quite large region that didn't disappear from the world.

The myth of forced sterilisation of huge number of Roma in Czechoslovakia was artificial construction of few loud groups to get more attention and possibly extract easy money. These claims had made quite a splash in the country with nothing discovered - an it was hoped for a lot.

The history from arrival to Europe until WW2 is practically all missing, except for few poster slogans. During this period many different policies has been tried, many pogrom occured, states tried to expell them or assimilate them. Literature exists on this topic and some material is even on the net.

The massive worsening of life style after falls of communist regimes around 1989 is missing - and this affected millions of people. The factories have no longer duty to employ all people or simply crashed and Roma were among the first unemployed. Later, temporary workers from former Soviet Union displaced the rest from traditional occupations (in Czechoslovakia it was construction industry and Ukrainians).

There's absolutely no description of details of nomadic style. The large migration patterns are not described. There is no description of internal structuring of Gypsy society over time. Description of Roma as group from sociological style of view is missing. Romani language, its dialects and development over time is not referenced at all in the article - they were probably all mute.

Last but non least, if someone would like to get real and valid info he will not find even single reference book or at least website. Pavel Vozenilek 13:07, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. This article definitely needs a lot of work, and I'm glad to see it started. On the other hand, there was a reference to the sterilization in Czechoslovakia, so removing it because you disagree is a little POV. Seriously though, thank you for the work on this, and other Czech related articles I've noticed you working on, like Czechoslovak Hockey Riots (1969). -- TheMightyQuill 14:33, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes there was refrence and really it got quite strongly voiced some 2 years ago. Trying doesn't cost anything. IMO the misery Roma live and the absolute alienation of the rest of the society is real problem, not someone's smell of court ordered compensation. Pavel Vozenilek 18:42, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Longer timeline

Someone on the main Roma people just posted this [1]

I've copied the information here History of the Roma people/Timeline, incase the above goes dead. I know it's plagiarism, but I thought we could use it to round out the article? -- TheMightyQuill 19:54, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Removed do to copyright violation. Oh well, the original link seems to be working again anyway.TheMightyQuill 22:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Roma and Sinti in the Wehrmacht

Roma and Sinti were recruited for the Wehrmacht and served there, unlike the Jews. And sterilisation had already started. Perhaps this complex situation should be reflected. Wandalstouring 22:22, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Islamic theories hold no water.

Most assuredly, Roma came with the Huns/Avars/Turks/Mongols etc. as other Asians made wave upon wave of invasion in Eastern Europe. There is no connection between Araby and Gypsies; that is a misconception--as much a misconception that the Middle East is Asian and not European. Specifically Jews and Muslims have more relation to the mystified concept of "Araby" (Arabia) and "Gypsy" (Egypt) Lord Loxley 13:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio

Unfortunately, I had to tag History of the Roma people/Timeline for copyright violation. The complete list is, however, still available in the articles' history: [2] and on these websites: [3][4]Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 14:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC)