Talk:History of the Assyrian people

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[edit] Proposed merge

Cquan, I noticed you proposed to merge this page. Here are a couple things you might want to note:

1. I created this page yesterday, and we will be expanding it within the next two weeks.
2. The Assyrian people page is starting to become flooded, biased, and unorganized.
3. This page, History of the Assyrian people, will deal strictly with the different periods in their history, with a focus on the people - that includes more of an emphasis on their origins, language, as well as the development of their culture, political issues, and more.

I hope that explains what we wish to do with this page. --Šarukinu 14:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I see that the main article is getting a tad long...not overly so, but it could easily get there soon. I would recommend that you actually copy the entire history section over into this article then and leave the "stub" on the Assyrian people article with a main article link to this article. Otherwise this looks redundant. -Cquan (talk, AMA Desk) 17:57, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

What are the issues with the neutrality of this article? It's still Start-class, and all it contains is objective information. I agree with the lack of sources, but we are in the process of gathering the appropriate sources and information for this article. Regardless, the article doesn't contain anything that suggests POV - unless for some reason you think hardship and persecution is entirely subjective.
Oh, by the way, your suggestion is a good idea, Cquan. I'm going to see what we can take from the history section in Assyrian people and perhaps we can do a "switch" as you suggested.--Šarukinu 02:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Expansion of this Article

To anybody who wishes to contribute to this page:

I would like to expand this article to include numerous sections and topics, including religious history, political history, ancient history (which would incorporate the Akkadian period), and modern history (AD era). This article is still in a rough state, and is in need of much revision and, like I said before, expansion.

Furthermore, there absolutely cannot be any bias in this article, because too often do we see people spread their political opinions in material about the Assyrian people. So we will have none of that here - I'm going to pay close attention to the choice of words used. This will be an objective article to offer the world unbiased, untainted, and valid information about the history of the Assyrian people, covering both the ancient and modern periods.

Due to the huge disagreement over the Assyrian identity, I feel it maybe a good idea to include a section about the debate with arguments from both sides of the issue, and then let people decide for themselves whether or not to discount the Assyrian identity. What I'm aiming for with this is something similar to the page about the BC/AD vs BCE/CE notation.

Feel free to provide your input, but please steer away from bias - for once let's offer information free of flowery words and biased views.

Šarukinu 22:49, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

This page and the other Assyrian pages are full of historical inaccuracies. Assyria proper did not fall to the Persians but a confederacy of Babylonians and Medes under Cyaxares. It became part of Persia when she conquered the other two empires. It was not a Roman province except for a brief period. Asuristan was a province of the Parthian Empire as well as the Sassanid Empire.

I agree with your proposals and if I have time (which I may not) will be happy to lend some assistance with the religious history. If it gets detailed enough we could start an article on religious, political and other aspects on their histories.Tourskin 23:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

If possible, I would like to include all aspects of the history of the Assyrians in this one article, which is the main reason behind its creation. --Šarukinu 13:08, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First empire...

Just as a note, the article on Empire calls the Egyptian state the first empire when they invaded and incorporated another state. It also calls Sargon's Akkadian state an early example of an empire. This should probably be discussed on both articles for consistency and factual accuracy. Cquan ^{(after the beep...)} 01:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up, Cquan. However that depends on the definition of empire. That article uses the term very loosely, even referring to nations such as Phoenicia as an empire, which of course was not the case. Furthermore, Ancient Egypt was a kingdom which exerted hegemony over Nubia and several states in the Levant, and nothing more. But the article never said Egypt was the "first empire" (even before my recent edits); it went on to mention that the Akkadian kingdom was one of the earliest examples of an empire. With Egypt, there was no real political integration or central organization, only the acquisition of tribute and resources. Again, that goes back to the definition you wish to follow. Perhaps it should be mentioned in all respective articles that the definition is disputed. --Šarukinu 18:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)