Talk:History of modern Macedonia (Greece)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Greece Portal
This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Greece, an attempt to expand, improve and standardize the content and structure of articles related to Greece.
If you would like to participate, you can improve History of modern Macedonia (Greece), or sign up and contribute in a wider array of articles like those on our to do list. If you have any questions, please consult the FAQ.
Stub This article has been rated as Stub-Class on the quality scale. (comments)
??? This article has not yet been prioritized.
This article has been automatically assessed as Stub-Class by WikiProject Greece because it uses a stub template.
  • If you agree with the assessment, please remove {{WPGR}}'s auto=yes parameter from this talk page.
  • If you disagree with the assessment, please change it by editing the class parameter of the {{WPGR}} template, removing {{WPGR}}'s auto=yes parameter from this talk page, and removing the stub template from the article.

In 1913 Treaty of Bucharest The region was divided among Greece that took Aegaean or Greek Macedonia (composed of most of the vilayets of Thessaloniki and Monastir), Serbia that took Vardar Macedonia -today the Republic of Macedonia or FYROM (composed of most of the Vilayet of Kosovo)- and Bulgaria that took Pirin Macedonia.

Who were the Slav-Macedonians [1] ? --84.164.202.150 13:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Exactly what's the point here?--Aldux 16:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Let me explain this easily: Bulgarian Orthodox Church = Bulgarian, Greek Orthodox Church = Greek, Serb Orthodox Church = Serb, AND THERE WAS NO MACEDONIAN CHURCH! The whole truth is the religion you were apart of identified who you were in the Ottoman Empire. Mactruth (talk) 07:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Who is it that compiled this rationale? NikoSilver 22:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Revision is needed on the title

The title of the article is PURE POV, since there is a Macedonian Republic and a Greek province of Macedonia. The article solely focuses on the Greek province of Macedonia and ignores the current Macedonian Republic is also part of modern Macedonia. This article should be edited to include Republic of Macedonia, deleted, or merged into Greek Macedonia. Mactruth (talk) 03:44, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

To the administrators, I believe this article should be deleted and is simply being used to monopolize the term "Macedonia."
  • If Greeks want to talk about the history of Greek Macedonia they need to MERGE it into the history of Greece or state "History of Greek Macedonia" because the current title is pure monopolization.
  • If I were to state history of modern Macedonia, Greeks would appeal and state you must differentiate by stating "History of the Republic of Macedonia"
  • The history of modern Macedonia should only be termed when explaining the REGION of Macedonia, and not a PART of the region of Macedonia
  • If talking about the region of Macedonia, it should be MERGED into the "History of the region of Macedonia"
In ANY case, this article was created for monopolization and has no use in Wikipedia. Mactruth (talk) 07:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
In principle I agree that the article should either be moved to History of Greek Macedonia or merged with the article about the history of the whole region. Your actions, though, are unjustifiable and in a low quality English. --Laveol T 23:12, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I was trying to make it more neutral-POV, damn I didn't expect it to be perfectly neutral POV but at least a lot better then the bullshit Greek POV which replaces "Greek Macedonia" with "modern Macedonia" thus monopolizing the term (even though modern Macedonia is the region of Macedonia, which I tried to write about) Mactruth (talk) 23:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Actually your text was a lot POVer so to speak. --Laveol T 00:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

What Laveol said: merge or rename of some kind. No need for hysteria, though. There's actually a disambiguation page (History of Macedonia) already in place so a simple rename to "History of Macedonia (Greece)" might do the trick. Perhaps our Bulgarian editors would like to create and add a "History of Pirin Macedonia" page to the list. 3rdAlcove (talk) 20:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, no need for that actually. It's kinda irredentist and so on. It's already covered in History of Bulgaria. I'd say that'd be something editors from RoM would like to do (and have done previously). --Laveol T 20:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
There is already a History of Macedonia (Greece)? I believe any history of those are apart of history of Macedonia (region)... Laveol you jump to unreasoned speculation. Mactruth (talk) 22:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Fair nuff. 3rdAlcove (talk) 02:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ADMINS: Re-titling of the name is needed to differentiate btw Greek Macedonia and Republic of Macedonia

modern Macedonia can lay claims to any part of the region of Macedonia, or the entire region of Macedonia. It is inaccurately labeled Mactruth (talk) 22:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

A differentiation is needed btw Republic of Macedonia and Greek Macedonia. Stating "modern Macedonia" is to state any part of the region of Macedonia, or the entire part of Macedonia... and this term cannot be used exclusively for Greek Macedonia. Mactruth (talk) 22:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] History of modern Macedonia (Greece)

The article name is still monopolizing the term "Macedonia." I must ask the Greeks, what would be your reaction if I created an article entitled "History of modern Macedonia (Republic)"? You would object to monopolization. I believe a good compromise would be:

  1. History of Macedonia (Greece) - this is consistent since "Republic of Macedonia" has the article "History of the Republic of Macedonia" therefore the article "Macedonia (Greece)" should have the article "History of Macedonia (Greece)" to be consistent.
  2. History of Greek Macedonia - The name implies it is the Greek region of Macedonia and it differentiated from the Republic of Macedonia without monopolization. Mactruth (talk) 23:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
But of course, that would be in line with your national mythology, according to which the Greek presence in Macedonia goes back only to 1912. Go away. (By the way, aren't you banned from all Macedonia-related pages?) ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 02:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)