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Comprehensive, but has that missing global perspective tag still and needs references.

Importance of article to WP:FASH is self-evident. Daniel Case 14:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Currency Conversion

I noticed GBP currency conversions in the Income section of the article. I recommend that these be removed as exchange rate fluctuations will quickly make these obsolete. 212.219.190.42 11:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What's going on?

20:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)~20:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)~~6-7-06

I was doing some research on the topic of fashion, so I looked up Fashion Design. All that is on the page is some history on the origin of the wedding dress? What happened to this article? hello i no u love me

Although I am sure that this text comes out of the best of intentions, it is wholly inaccurate and it should not have been submitted without at least having someone in the field glance at it. Not only is it almost entirely incorrect where information is concerned, its tone and quality further trivialize a field historically marginalized by mysoginistic authorities who view fashion as a subject intrinsically confined to the feminine and therefore -- at best -- of nominal importance in the arts and academia.

The absurdity of putting Marilyn Monroe and Jayne Mansfield as fashion icons (normally fashion icons are famous for keeping their clothes ON)contributes to the distorted view of fashion held in so many contemporary sources. This contemporary view is largely the product of the feminist obsession with the condemnation of fashion as an evil perpetrated upon womankind by their male opressors and the Left's obsession with capitalist conspiracy that sees fashion as premeditated obsolescence used to enslave the masses, imagining, I suppose, that Vogue and Harpers Bazaar, not to mention L'Officiel de la Couture, are members of an international agency coordinated by .......? Since neither point of view distinguishes between paid and editorial points of view, or, for that matter, between Marilyn Monroe and Jacqueline Kennedy, the discussion almost never progresses on to the infinitely more interesting issues of fashion as something unique to humans in the same way as written glyphs and phonemes and machines with moving parts are unique to humans; or of fashion as a language which communicates more than class dominance and the most blatant forms of seduction; or, of special note, of fashion as a language of different dialects mastered with various degrees of proficiency in the same way as other forms of linguistic expression are mastered. 64.136.26.41 20:19, 04:49, 4 August 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Topic is updated

I have updated this topic a bit because there was just too much incorrect data.

I am not happy yet with the final text but at least the info is now correct (and yes I am a specialist in the field of Arts and fashion). If I find the time I will rewrite it and add some more info.

best regards,

SiqueSique

[edit] Category needed

Surprised there isn't already a Category:Fashion Designer. Mpntod 11:38, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)

There is now - it's Category:Fashion designers PKM 18:37, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] USER with IP 66.155.153.3 STOP ADVERTISING YOUR CRAPPY WEBSITE

I have noticed that you miss use the wiki and spamm it with advertising stop the childs play or I will report you to get ip banned!

Not best regards, Sique Sique

[edit] Compare to haute couture

There's a great deal of overlap between this article and haute couture (a much better article IMHO) - perhaps this heading should just redirect there? (Although it would be good to cover designers who do not do high fashion somewhere - designers for the mass market.) PKM 05:14, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Expanding history

I have done a first cut at an expanded History section; this still needs a lot of work (something on the 30s, 50s, 70s, and more on the 60s).

I have addressed the "fashion icon" issue by pointing up the relationships between Hepburn/Givenchy and Kennedy/Cassini.

I think the Modern section still needs NPOV, references, and restructuring.

Also, House of Worth is heavy on bio and Charles Frederick Worth is heavy on the business. Would be great if someone could cut-and-paste between them appropriately.

Additional hands welcome! PKM 20:19, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Warmenhoven & Vanderbos

Can someone confirm that this fashion house is actually as notable as the article makes them sound? The mention was added a long time ago in a suspiciously gushy edit at [1] that looks a little spammy, and was not edited out. The same IP also added this designer to the list of haute couture designers, but that info is not provided on their webpage. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 18:22, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I am removing them until someone can provide a cite proving their notability and haute couture status. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 19:19, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

They are as notable as the article says...I am that Ip number you talk about and it is not suspicious or spammy at all. I have rewritten that entire section ( so NO gushy edit) a long time ago and know what I am talking about after being in the business for 50 years. They started out with Couture and Single autonomic pieces and where the first who introduced a real conceptual way of approaching fashion crossing the borders of fashion and art....which went beyond the works created by for example Margiela or Comme des Garcons and the likes. Please reffrain from removing things if you do not know anything about the Fashion and Arts field and only find something suspicious because of a none article related thing like tracing my Ip number.

Best regards SiqueSique

[edit] Gah!Rawr!

Alright, it's offically driven me insane how lacking of basic information on fashion design this page actually is. After re-reading this page several times, I've decided I want to rewrite/severly edit this article, if someone would like to help? Please contact me. More info about contact on my userpage. Spazz 06:43, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Stylists vs designers

This was an excellent distinction, could it be emphasized in some way?

The types of fashion designer -- stylist versus designer -- are often confused. A stylist inspires his/her designs on existing things, trends and designers collections. A designer starts from scratch; he/she develops a unique concept and translates this into garment collections, other lifestyle related products or a statement in various other types of media.

I also edited the text that previously read:

designers are well trained pattern makers and modeleurs...

because frankly -after 27 years in the business- I've only met one designer who was technically competent to the extent that she could make her own patterns. That's not to say that a lot of designers don't think they can, or in fact do it but it's a rarity that their patterns don't need some clean up work from engineering pattern makers.

I'm new at wiki-ing so I'm not sure how to post my info if somebody wants to talk or throw things at me. I'm easily found via my blog at www.fashion-incubator.com hey, I just found the tilde thing, thanks Pattern maker 19:06, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I am glad you liked my distinction between Designers and Stylist...maybe there are better ways to write it down but I think it covers what the difference between them is. The only problem can be that Stylist is the same as Designer when you look at it in the French language.Most of the time designers as mentioned in the article are referred as Createurs.

The pattern maker section: I am around 50 years now in the bussiness and most of the Createurs are trained pattern makers ( I am not talking about the amateurs like for example Stella McCartney or about the confection stylists) A good example can be found in Wim Wenders movie about Yamamoto. Unfortunatly I see that nowadays that this is more and more declining probably because of the fashion education is declining in this aspect and because so much "amateur" designers are flooding the industry.

Best regards, SiqueSique

[edit] fashion vs fashion designers

In other art categories, the subject page is separate from the person/role. oy - this page needs works. Here's a plan - removed the redirect of Fashion designer from this page - add the couple of paragraphs about designers to the Fashion design page - for the rest of the article, put a merge to Fashion tag on.

thoughts? --Clubmarx | Talk 03:08, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can I...

Can I work on the fashion design page a little? Like: add a little bit I won't take anything off that you don't want me to. Krystalsmith77 00:25, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fixed the Dior links

...so that they don't go to the disambiguous page. - KaoBear^(talk) 15:19, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Rating?

Would it be possible to get an article rating on this page? I think it has a lot of potential to be a good article candidate, if the facts are checked and the links are fixed. Onlyabititalian 09:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wow

Wow, you have been doing some great work fixing this article since I looked. Thanks!

Could I ask commentors here to please sign and date your posts (four ~) so we know when each comment was made? - PKM 20:56, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

the best fashion desingner is PETER LUIS PEREZ.He is still alive

[edit] design education other than US and London

I think the Fashion Education section should include the Royal Academy of Arts in Antwerp, where the Antwep Six met. I think this school has a significant influence on the avante garde of fashion even to this day.

"Unknown to some, Antwerp is at the heart of continental Europe's avant-garde fashion scene. The driving force comes from the city's Royal Academy of Fine Arts..." [2],

"Belgian fashion designers are now beating their French rivals pins down. And the success is all due to one factor - the Antwerp Royal Academy of Fine Arts." [3],

"Jun 06: ...the renowned fashion department of the Royal Academy of Fine Arts" [4] etc.

[edit] History of costume?

Why the lack of costume history from earlier eras? The whole Wikipedia has a startling lack of costume history. Individual garments such as corsets are covered, but there's hardly anything on the costume of, say, the Middle Ages, Renaissance, Baroque, etc... when the scholarship certainly is out there. Even my dad's dusty 50-year old encyclopedia has more information on pre-Victorian historical fashions than this page. I know, I know, I could create it all by myself, but I don't feel confident enough compared to people who specialise in the subject. --Snowgrouse 20:32, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject?

I'm thinking about starting a WikiProject for Textile Arts that would include clothing, fashion design and the usual crafts (weaving, sewing, quilting, knitting, crochet, lace, etc.). We basically need to find 5 editors who are interested in contributing. A WikiProject would allow us to use tags to monitor the progress of our field, using the Mathbot assessments, as Onlyabititalian seems to be asking for above. We could also make common templates, info-boxes and whatnot, and it might draw other textile-enthusiasts to us. I'd be willing to get it off the ground, programming-wise; are people here interested in joining? Thanks! :) Willow 19:52, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

There's a sign-up going on here; please consider signing up. In case you're wondering, there's no commitment for contributions, although we're hoping that members will want to work on ~1 article per month. Thanks for considering us! :) Willow 19:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tone

This article needs a lot of work in terms of tone. I will try to work on this as well as some of the information. Clairefontaine 18:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] dt6

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We should consider re-wording the references to Jacques Fath and Maggy Rouff in the section for the 1940s, or remove them from the list of new houses that opened up during WWII, I believe. Both houses pre-date WWII, Fath's house opening in 1937 and Rouff's in 1928. Perhaps the reference to this era could be extended to explain they they were among those few to remain open during the entirety of Nazi occupation and Vichy control, however? Kpants 05:40, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Global view and article length

This article seems to be about the history of Western fashion design only. It should either be globalized to cover the Middle East, Africa, India, East Asia, etc. or be renamed. -- Beland 01:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Also note that the article is already too long at 61K; some material needs to be moved into the History of Western fashion series. -- Beland 01:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

It'd be ridiculous to include African and Middle Eastern fashion design in this article - even today the fashion industry barely exists in those areas of the world, and their contribution to the history of fashion design is minimal, almost non-existent, certainly not notable enough to be mentioned in an article that's already long as it is. There could possibly be more information on Japanese fashion design, considering Japan has been a major force in fashion design since the Seventies, and maybe Indian fashion design too, but the high-fashion industry is mainly confined to France, Italy, the United States, and the United Kingdom, and few other countries have made a significant enough contribution to the history of fashion design to be mentioned. The history of Western fashion design is also very much the history of fashion design in general.

Agreed. We desperately need articles on clothing in Middle East, Africa, India, East Asia, etc., but the concept of fashion design as an industry hardly applies to those areas (although Japan has certainly become active in fashion design in the last few decades).

I don't find this article too long, myself. - PKM 21:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

what would it mean to be a fashion model, perhaps a quote from a model coulddo some help??? thanks. actually, i think that the article is quite long, though several parts of it have helpeed me on my assignment. this peice was just what i was looking for, i couldnt find it on ask, google, or yahoo. thanks very much. all the credit to you.

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[edit] Kayla Marshall

Kayla Marshall is a famous fashion designer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.153.174 (talk) 18:36, 21 February 2008