Talk:History of beer
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On 9 July 2007, History of beer was linked from Digg, a high-traffic website. All prior and subsequent edits to the article are noted in its revision history. |
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[edit] The beginnings of beer
"The modern anthropologist Alan Eames believes that 'beer was the driving force that led nomadic
mankind into village life...It was this appetite for beer-making material that led to crop cultivation, permanent settlement and agriculture.'" i think a citation would be really useful there (forgive the sloppiness. im not much of a contributor at all, still gets the point across though)
It is ludicrous to imagine that agriculture and urbanization developed on account of the desire to pull a drunk!
Such cum hoc ergo propter hoc wild speculation does not deserve citation in a serious artcle, and should be deleted.
[edit] Notability criteria discusion document
A discussion document has been opened up. Wikipedia:WikiProject Beer/Notability Criteria. Please put in your views either on the main page or on the attached talk page. If we want to list every brewery on the planet then I feel we should get some valid criteria behind us. SilkTork 16:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Include portion in Homebrewing article?
Right now, the history section of the Homebrewing article is in serious need of more information. As the history of beer is a superset of the history of homebrewing, how about adding a summary portion and one of those "click here for full article" deals on the homebrewing article? pACMANx 19:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Carbonation
When was beer first carbonated? Surely this is critical to the history of beer. ~MDD4696 03:43, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Who had the terrible idea of pumping carbon dioxide into beer?!--Moonlight Mile 00:04, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Beer in Ancient Languages and Scripts
I would be nice to have beer written in ancient languages (cuneiform, egyptian hieroglyphs), and an approximate spelling of these words. Albmont 10:53, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Possible Contradiction Regarding Yeast
The article states that the "Worshipful Company of Brewers" mentioned yeast as an acceptable ingredient, yet the "Reinheitsgebot" (which came some years later) does not--and for good reason: yeast was scientifically unknown until several hundred years later. Of course brewers would have realized that spontaneous fermentation was occurring, but were they aware that this process was due to wild yeasts? There was certainly no controlled use of selected yeast strains at the time (in this respect, all beer was what we would today call "lambic"). I've found another mention of this supposed edict:
"Brewers in England complained to the Mayor of London about hops and noted that there was 'a deceivable and unholesome fete in bruying of ale within the said citee nowe of late [that] is founde in puttyng of hoppes and other things in the said ale, contrary to the good and holesome manner of bruynge of Ale of old tyme used. . . . Pleas it therfore your saide good lordshyppe to forbid the putting into ale of any hops, herbs, or other like thing, but only licour, malte, and yeste.'"[1]
The above link cites "Arnold. Origin and History of Beer and Brewing, page 375" as a source of the ancient quote. The question becomes, how accurate are Arnold's sources? --SwillNoMore 13:32, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Oldest beer
Are the oldest dates correct? What is the place in Iran where 7000 years old beer was found? Is the Sumerian tablet really 6000 years old? And the first line of the text may suggest the reader that the oldest beer was produces in Egypt or Mezopotamia, but this is not the case.84.10.114.122 11:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC), a casual visitor
[edit] priming
When was beer first sealed into vessels that could handle pressure, so as to carbonate it? What were these vessels? T boyd 09:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Not sure on the actual sealed vessels, but Napolean commisioned a Frenchman to provide a means to transport food without spoiling, hence canned food today. The sealed vessels that he used were wine bottles, but now thinking about it the French had champagne way before Napolean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.163.0.43 (talk) 16:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Industrial Revolution section
This doesn't seem to be written in an encyclopedic style. I made a go at it, but rather than just reverting my edit back to the conversationally-worded version, can we try to come to some kind of consensus as to how it should read? I don't want to step on anyone's toes, and there's good information in there, but we should come at it in a way that's a little more conducive to reference rather than a Bill Bryson history, entertaining as they are. Voxish (talk) 19:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
