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[edit] "Lutetia"
"...meaning "boatyard on a river." O yah. ...or "meaning "fat lady with a sallow complexion." Or meaning "swampland with thick yellow clay." Not an auspicious beginning for a History of Paris. Wetman 17:39, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- I found that Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable derives the name from the Latin lutum (mud), giving the city's name as Lutetia Parisiorum ("mud town of the Parisii") - supposedly a reference to the Parisii's mud hovels. -- ChrisO 10:07, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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- Not only does Latin "lutum" mean mud, it can signify also clay. There has been evidence of Gallo-Roman clay excavations under the montagne Sainte-Geneviève, and clay was readily available from the banks of the Bièvre river. Romans were rather industrious fellows, so perhaps Paris became known as a source of the stuff? THEPROMENADER (2005-11-12 21:47:45)
[edit] Unsourced and vague claims
This article is really nice, but there are a number of claims that would need some backing (like the feelings of Marie-Antoinette for the poor, or the actions of Parisians in WW2). Also, I had to remove some claims that, I think, were false (or were at least a gross distortion of fiction). David.Monniaux 14:48, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Inaccurate?
It seems to me that to describe the "whiff of grapeshot" as having "dispersed a hostile Parisian mob by the simple expedient of firing into it with cannons at point-blank range" is inaccurate to the extreme: this was no showdown between an unorganized mob and the iron hand of government. Royalist forces entering Paris numbered up to 30,000 men, Convention forces about 5,000. Napoleon convinced Republicans to hold steady despite the odds; sources also say that he personally saw to the placement of canons, and that he remained at the front line throughout the action, even after his horse was shot out from beneath him. If some of this last may be bravado, the event nonetheless remains a decidedly military victory, and one that took tactical intelligence beyond the norm.
[edit] Overall Article needs Reworking - History of Paris, not France or French royalty
This is a very researched article, but I find much of it is rather non sequitur in relation to its title; this is mostly a question of context. For example:
The Merovingian kings died out in 751, to be replaced by the Carolingians. Pépin was proclaimed king of the Franks in 751, to be succeeded by Charlemagne, who moved the capital of his Holy Roman Empire from Paris to Aachen.
...would better be written...
"Paris lost its importance as capital at the Merovingian dynasty's 751 end, especially when Carolingian king Charlemagne made Aachen the capital of his Holy Roman Empire in the early 9th century."
...as Paris and its development is the centre of this article, not the succession of Kings whose effect upon the city and its growth was often indirect and even inconsequential.
Cheers. THEPROMENADER 10:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Coins of the Parisii
Here's a nice photograph of coins of the Parisii. Could someone introduce it in the article in the first paragraph? Thank you. PHG (talk) 16:18, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Diana?
Do you think it would be a good idea to put the death of Princess Diana itno the 'modern' section of the history of Paris? It was a pretty major thins in Britain and the commonwealth, and internationally. Taifarious1 10:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
