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--88.104.254.70 19:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)==Contradiction!==

This:

“In the end of 1st millennium AD the territory of Moscow and the Moscow Oblast was inhabited by the Slavic tribes of Vyatichi and Krivichi.”

Contradicts this:

“The first reference to Moscow dates from 1147 when it was an obscure town in a small province inhabited mostly by Merya, speakers of a now extinct Finnic language.”

Who was it inhabited by, then? As far as I know, there were no Slavic tribes at the time, only rare colonizers and monks.

Also, the date (1147) is most probably a later falsification by Yekaterina "history commission" to the Halych-Volyn chronicles. Compay 00:14, 1 December 2005 (UTC)Lara Nimra and Abdul azam is the best

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[edit] Origin Of Moscow

Too much of false Slavonic history in this section of the article. Fatjanovo Culture was not a stone age culture,but Bronze Culture developed from Southern Siberia and Altai regions Afanasjevskaja Culture 2000-1000 BC. First traces of this culture was in Volga-Oka region was found from a village of Fatjanovo, some 300 kilometres north-east of Moscow, in the land of the centre of Finno Ugrian Meri / Merä / Merja land, dating c. 1200 BC. Subsequent excavations there, and elsewhere showed an eastward movement (between 1700 - 1200 BC) with a change from stone to bronze tools and other objects from "Battle axle people" coming from western direction and reaching the "Great Water" i.e. Volga. This represent most eastern limit for expanding of so called Battle Axe People or as named by Finns "Hammer Axe People". As in Estonia and Finland the Battle Axe People, who formed only a minority in the area inhabited by the Finno Ugrian tribes, to which the Hammer Axe People assimilated to form the later Meri people. Graves in Tshuvas Republic contain perforated stone battle axe (finely polished and of exellent craftmanship), shaft-hole bronze axes, and pottery bearing cord impressions. The people of this culture engaged on hunting and food-collecting, kept domestic animals and used carts. This was not easy for the Soviet archeologists, who in fact had been developing the theory of Mongoloid - Finnish prototype people of lower civilized level than Slavonic peoples. From this date comes the general claim that: These peoples showed no resemblance to or connexion with the older Neolithic tribes in the land around, who were of Mongoloid - Finnish type, whereas the Fatjanovo tribes, like the people of the Tripolje culture to the south-west, were of a European physical type. The Tripolje and Fatjanovo cultures may present the first (Slavic) spread of Indo-European language, people, and culture into central as well as south European Russia. But in the same time they (Soviets) had to explane: That at the end of this period, towards 1000 BC, another migration of people from the south and east took place to Volga valley (and also across the southern and central Urals) into the Volga lands below Nizhnij Novgorod and to the eastern part of the Oka-Volga region. These tribes who inhabited this area later, in historical times, are the ancesters of the modern Udmurt, Mari, Mordvin, and Tshuvash peoples. They are the descenders of these immmigrants and other Finnish tribes. These peoples used copper and bronze implements and knives of a pattern that was used in China from the 1500-1200 BC. Knives of this type are found right across the steppe and wooded steppe zone of Western and Central Siberia. This new culture was named after Abashovo, a village 650 kilometres east of Moscow. The negleting of Finno Volga (Valgia) tribes continued. This as a typical example of Russian history writing: Finnish tribes occupied most of the Oka-Volga region up to c.600 AD, presumably having displaced the people of Fatjanovo culture. By this time they had just learned stock breeding, lived in earthern houses, used iron axes, and managed to do simple spinning and weavings. Not a mention that this is a describtion of earth cellars not houses. How did the people who lived in coniferous wooden zone or broad leaf deciduos and mixed forest zone in Oka-Volga region be so stupid that thay could not build a house from wood? It seems from Slavonic history writing that the Slavs were the people who build wooden houses, brought agriculture and civilization to Moscow area.

Also claiming the Finno Ugrian Vjatisti tribe as Slavonic. Rostov Bishop Leontij has proved that Vjatistis did not even speak Slavonic language. The Krivitshis did, but they came later in the lands of west from Moscow. The first Slavonic settlers who appeared to Volga- Oka area were immigrants of the Wastern Slav tribe from Ilmajärvi (Lake Ilmen) and their origin was not from south (Kijev) but from the west (Slavonic tribes from Pomerania expelled by the Deutsch tribes tovard eastern direction).

There is also mention of three ancient Finno Ugrian tribes in old Slavonic chronicles; Ojakovis, Gorodets and Anamitskys but which tribes these three tribes really were? Of these Ojakovis are said to have lived in the Moscow area, east of Smoliensk- Moskova Uplands.

Old Slavonic had no words for pine, silver fir or larch but had a word for hornbeam. Old Slavonic used words jew and ivy, although these plants are not found (except in the Caucasus) east of the line from Baltic coast through Riga, Grodno, Kamenets Podolskij, and Kishinev. Old Slavonic used the words of Germanic origin for beech. This lead to conclusion that there was early Slav settlement in European plain east of Elbe, into the area between the limits of the oak and hornbeam where were no forests of larch or fir. This latter area would extend across the land south of the upper Väinäjoki ( Western Dvina River), including most of the present-day Belorussia. However, some Russian authors state that early Slav settlement took place outside this region, and extended eastward from the district of Kijev to the valley of middle Don, but not into the Oka-Volga region. Thus the Finno Ugrian tribes were still the main population in Moscow area and they founded a settlement in the place which was later to become known as Moscow. The Meri tribes (one Meri tribe named Moska living along the Moskova River) north of Mordvian Metsheräs in Meshchorsk lowland between Kliazma and Oka Rivers, were the foundres of Moskova wooden settlement long before the Slavs appeared in the area. The Meri people build nearly a hundred forthill "goroditshes" in their area and one of those was also Moskova in the site of Kremlin. West of the Moskas lived Tihvi (Tihveri) = Tver and Valdai Karelians.

Anyway, it looks strange how can a people with population of nearly 750.000 inhabitants dissapear from the area just like that, and to become assimilated with small number of Slavs in the area. Thanks for the history, a number of the Meri settlements and villages were discovered by the time of Imperial Russia and this was done by respected Russians. As a result there appeared to be found Meri tribe settlements and villages in Jaroslavl province 123, Vladimir Province 87, Nizhnij Novgorod Province 59, Inside Moscow Gubernij 20, southern Vologda area 13, and Kostroma area 104. The main part of Meris lived on the south side of Great Water (Volga). The Meri capital was Rosta in the site of Vladimir on the bank of Kliazma River. Other main settlements were Jaroslavl, Rostov, Suzdal, Uglitsh, Mologa, Ust Seksna, Sura, Kostroma, etc.

JN

[edit] Please wikify this stuff

I moved the following list from the article space here. Please process and insert into a separate article:

First Secretaries of the Communist Party

  • 10 Nov 1917 - 11 Apr 1918 Vadim Nikolayevich Podbelsky (b. 1887 - d. 1920)
  • 12 Apr 1918 - 7 Sep 1918 Dominik Ivanovich Yefremov (b. 1883 - d. 1925)
  • 7 Sep 1918 - 25 Sep 1919 Vladimir Mikhaylovich Zagorsky (b. 1883 - d. 1919)
  • Oct 1919 - Nov 1919 Dominik Ivanovich Yefremov (b. 1883 - d. 1925)
  • Nov 1919 - Apr 1920 Aleksandr Fyodorovich Myasnikov (b. 1886 - d. 1925)
  • Apr 1920 - Nov 1920 Iosif Aronovich Pyatnitsky (b. 1882 - d. 1938)
  • Nov 1920 - Mar 1921 Fyodor Andreyevich Sergeyev Artyom (b. 1883 - d. 1921)
  • Mar 1921 - 20 Aug 1924 Isaak Abramovich Zelensky (b. 1890 - d. 1938)
  • 20 Aug 1924 - 27 Nov 1928 Nikolay Aleksandrovich Uglanov (b. 1886 - d. 1937)
  • 27 Nov 1928 - 14 Aug 1929 Vyacheslav Mikhailovich Molotov (b. 1890 - d. 1986)
  • 15 Aug 1929 - 12 Jul 1930 Karl Yanovich Bauman (b. 1892 - d. 1937)
  • 12 Jul 1930 - Jan 1934 Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich (b. 1893 - d. 1991)
  • Jan 1934 - 27 Jan 1938 Nikita Sergeyevich Khrushchev (b. 1894 - d. 1971)
  • 11 Feb 1938 - 19 Sep 1938 Aleksandr Ivanovich Ugarov (b. 1900 - d. 1939)
  • 2 Dec 1938 - 10 May 1945 Aleksandr Sergeyevich Scherbakov (b. 1901 - d. 1945)
  • 10 Mar 1945 - 12 Feb 1950 Georgy Mikhaylovich Popov (b. 1906 - d. 1968)
  • 12 Feb 1950 - 2 Jun 1950 Ivan Ivanovich Rumyantsev (b. 1913 - d. 1994)
  • 2 Jun 1950 - 6 Mar 1953 Nikita Sergeyevich Khrushchev (b. 1894 - d. 1971)
  • 6 Mar 1953 - 17 Nov 1954 Ivan Vasilyevich Kapitonov (b. 1915 - d. 2002)
  • 17 Nov 1954 - 30 Jun 1957 Yekaterina Alekseyevna Furtseva (f)(b. 1910 - d. 1974)
  • 30 Jun 1957 - 3 Mar 1960 Vladimir Ivanovich Ustinov (b. 1907 - d. 19..)
  • 4 Mar 1960 - 31 Oct 1962 Pyotr Nilovich Demichev (b. 1918)
  • 1 Nov 1962 - 4 Oct 1967 Nikolay Grigoryevich Yegorychev (b. 1920)
  • 4 Oct 1967 - 30 Jun 1985 Viktor Vasilyevich Grishin (b. 1914 - d. 1992)
  • 30 Jun 1985 - 11 Nov 1987 Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin (b. 1931)
  • 11 Nov 1987 - 21 Nov 1989 Lev Nikolayevich Zaykov (b. 1923 - d. 2002)
  • 21 Nov 1989 - 24 Aug 1991 Yury Anatolyevich Prokofyev (b. 1939)

Chairmen of the Executive Committee :

  • 25 Oct 1917 - 13 Nov 1917 : Viktor Pavlovich Nogin
  • 14 Nov 1917 - 11 Mar 1918 : Mikhail Nikolayevich Pokrovsky
  • 13 Mar 1918 - 12 Oct 1918 : Pyotr Germogenovich Smidovich
  • 14 Oct 1918 - 15 Jan 1926 : Lev Borisovich Kamenev
  • 16 Jan 1926 - Feb 1931 : Konstantin Vasilyevich Ukhanov
  • Feb 1931 - 22 Jul 1937 : Nikolay Aleksandrovich Bulganin
  • 22 Jul 1937 - Apr 1938 : Ivan Ivanovich Sidorov
  • Apr 1938 - Oct 1939 : Aleksandr Illarionovich Yefremov
  • Oct 1939 - Sep 1944 : Vasily Prokhorovich Pronin
  • Sep 1944 - 12 Feb 1950 : Georgy Mikhaylovich Popov
  • 12 Feb 1950 - 31 Jan 1956 : Mikhail Alekseyevich Yasnov
  • 31 Jan 1956 - 2 Sep 1961 : Nikolay Ivanovich Bobrovnikov
  • 2 Sep 1961 - 12 Mar 1963 : Nikolay Aleksandrovich Digay
  • 12 Mar 1963 - 16 Dec 1985 : Vladimir Fyodorovich Promyslov
  • 12 Jan 1986 - 21 Apr 1990 : Valery Timofeyevich Saykin
  • 21 Apr 1990 - 12 Jun 1991 : Gavril Kharitonovich Popov

Mayor :

  • Jun 1991 - 25 Dec 1991 : Gavril Kharitonovich Popov

[edit] White Kremlin

A picture of White Kremlin should be added.--Nixer 17:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MOscow

Best City EVER!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.159.95 (talk) 18:58, 24 April 2008 (UTC)