Talk:History of Lithuania (1219–1295)

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Comments Find more English-language references; eliminate red links. --Lysytalk 19:44, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear Renata: Are you planning to continue work on this page? I could recruit some help and finish it, that is, the 1219-1377 part. It will be a dreadful temptation to include the escape in women's clothing! That was always the favorite topic in Lithuanian school - somehow even the youngest students had always gotten wind of this rumor. BTW this allegation was also made about Jefferson Davis, the president of the US Confederacy during the civil war; he fled after the surrender at Appomatox. I used to have a boyfriend from "the sovereign state of Georgia" (in the US) and it was such fun to raise his blood pressure with this accusation. Raising blood pressure is, of course, not so much of a laughing matter when you are an admin of WIkipedia.

Anyway, if you could let me know. Whenever. Novickas 13:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Renata et al - did some minor things, it really didn't need much. Hope your holidays were pleasant. Novickas 15:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Some remarks

Nice job, I see another WP:GA. Some comments:

  1. The history of Lithuania between 1219 and 1295 deals with the establishment and early history of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
    • I suggest to rewrite this sentence to something like - The history of Lithuania between 1219 and 1295 deals with the establishment of Lithuanian state. or state of Lithuania or state of Lithuania - Grand Duchy.... It would be more explicit. And take a note that western world Lithuania recognized as Kingdom.
  2. Mindaugas, the duke who governed southern Lithuania between the Neman and Neris Rivers,[8] eventually became the founder of the nation.
    • A nation? Better of state.
  3. As promised, Mindaugas and his wife Morta were crowned at some time during the summer of 1253, and the Kingdom of Lithuania was established.
    • Sentence implies that Kingdom was established in 1253, and it is wrong. Kingdom was established in 1251, after Papal bull.
  4. Traidenis, known for his strong anti-German attitude, was also successful in fighting with the Livonian Order
    • Anti-German attitude??? uh?
  5. The Lithuanian relationships with the Orthodox Church were more peaceful. The people were allowed to practice their religion; Lithuanian dukes did not hesitate to marry daughters of Orthodox dukes; the dukes' scribes were probably Orthodox as well.
    • Sadly i have no near my hand particular book which talk about dukes' scribes in particular context by to state that they there Orthodox only is wrong. In early period scribes were also recruited from Ryga, Teutonic order provided them too. In Empire Acceding this issue is also raised. So to list scribes only as one confession is wrong. Or maybe I missed some idea here? M.K. 19:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
WP:GA ? I see WP:FA soon :-) --Lysytalk 19:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
It should be gradual process! M.K. 20:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to blow in some more enthusiasm ;-) but I think it is past GA already. --Lysytalk 20:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

My (belated) changes:

  1. Changed. Kingdom receives enough attentionin other palces.
  2. Changed.
  3. Added a comment. 1251 proclaimed the kingdom (sort of, gave the permission to establish it) and 1253 it was established by crowning Mindaugas.
  4. Comes directly from the source.
  5. It ment to be "some" as indicated by "probably." Switched words around.

Anything else? Renata 03:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

It will do for now. M.K. 10:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Legacy

I'm not sure about this edit. The removed fragment belonged to the "Legacy" section and also made a nice conclusion of the article, which now seems to lack the finishing sentence. --Lysytalk 08:33, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I reverted because I believe it's a good preview of further history that I hope to write in future. Two characteristics: expansion and religious debates. Renata 12:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC)