Talk:History of Germany

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[edit] Sidebar

This is just a suggestion... I'm not going to change it, I only want to see what people think. On the side bar listing each category of German history, shouldn't "A new era" and "The darkest hours" be changed to something a less emotive. Given that this site is made to emulate an encyclopedia, shouldn't it be a little less dramatic? Jclingerman

I agree, besides being POV by definition the terms don't really fit, "A new era" for the republic of Weimar is certainly misleading. Nevfennas 05:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Outdated stuff

  1. Moved outdated stuff to Talk:History of Germany/Archive1. djmutex 18:45 5 Jul 2003 (UTC)
  2. Ditto Material from May 2005, through end O'2006 into Talk:History of Germany/Archive2. // FrankB 18:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Territorial changes of Germany

I am having a debate with User:Aborvegyro regarding his desire to add information about "Territorial losses from the Middle Ages to modern times" to Territorial changes of Germany.

My stance is that Territorial changes of Germany is about changes to the territorial borders of Germany after the formation of the German Empire in 1871. User:Aborvegyro disagrees.

I note that the lead to this article says

"The History of Germany begins with the birth of the nation from Ancient Roman times to the 8th century[citation needed], and then continues[citation needed] into the Holy Roman Empire dating from the 9th century until 1806.

This would suggest a stance closer to User:Aborvegyro than mine.

I also note that the lead continues on saying

At its largest extent, the territory of this empire included what today is Germany, Austria, Slovenia, the Czech Republic, western Poland, the Low Countries, eastern France, Switzerland and most of northern Italy. After the mid 16th century, when it had lost many former territories, it was known as the "Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation".

This suggests the concept of a German empire in medieval times.

Please refer to the discussion on Talk:Territorial changes of Germany and express your opinion there.

Thank you.

--Richard 08:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm removing the citations from the first paragraph of this article, the are not needed. That infermation being stated is general public opinion, and just common sense. Any problems with the removal of the citations please let me know.--Lucius Sempronius Turpio 03:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Territorial losses of modern Germany 1919-1945 (Animation).
Territorial losses of modern Germany 1919-1945 (Animation).

This is a pretty animation, if you like blue. But I don't see that it adds much, and it implies that East Prussia was lost before Eastern Silesia. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 03:00, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Third Reich

Why was Nazi Germany called the Third Reich? Hitler was not emperor of Germany and there was no Imperial court. A dictator, and an emperor are two completly diffrent things. --Lucius Sempronius Turpio 03:54, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

The German expression "Reich" is not necessarily equivalent to the English expressions "empire" (German: Kaiserreich) or "kingdom" (German: Königreich). Historically, the term was of course associated with some kind of monarchic rule. However, it gradually became associated with specific countries like France (German: Frankreich) or Germany, rather indepently of the regime. As a matter of course, during the Weimar Republic the term "Deutsches Reich" (or just "Reich") was still associated with Germany, in spite of the newly introduced republican regime. The term was also used to distinguish between the federal (Reichs-) and the state level (Landes-) of government (today the equivalent is "Bundes-", meaning federal). There was also an "imperial court" (Reichsgericht) till 1945; however, it lost some of its influence to the Volksgerichtshof. After 1945, the term came out of use, but had some kind of afterlife, the most prominent example being the Deutsche Reichsbahn of the GDR.
The expression "Third Reich", moreover, is also ambiguous. First, it is a simple enumeration with the first and the second Reich being the Holy Roman Empire and the German Empire, respectively. Second, it also bears a mythologic meaning, see Joachim of Fiore and Arthur Moeller van den Bruck for further reading. Levimanthys 21:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
There is in fact a Wikipedia conclusion that neither Third Reich nor Nazi Germany should be used since the official contemporary English usage was German Reich. The Third was only so referred to for propaganda purposes, and Nazi applies only to the Party since most Germans were not members of it. I would suggest doing substantial edits throughout the articles so affected to reflect this. I will be posting the proposal at Projects Military history to ask editors to amend this--Mrg3105 (talk) 01:52, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


  • Nonsense!!! "Third Reich" is widely recognized and used historic term extant in many histories, newspaper articles and so forth. Sorry, But!!! Eliminating the term is revisionist at best, and idealistic in the extremis. Many English-Germany translation problems exist (Prince v. Furst, for example), one more won't make a difference, and is a disservice to readers googling such terms. They need explanations and educational exposition, not elimination to "your standards of thought". We are after all an educational NPO at the foundation level, and that had better be the purpose of this sister project! // FrankB 18:44, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:VWgermany.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 10:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed {Original research} tag

re: At (under) section: /* Early modern Germany */

my comment: --{{Original research|date=October 2007}} Unsubstatiated on talk, no {fact} taggings in sections following
  • No need to add more! // FrankB 19:17, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Early German History

I have noticed that this article is lacking any reference to Germany occurring before 100 B.C. I have noticed that the Spanish article has much less overall information, but contains facts about early Paleolithic, Neolithic, and Bronze Age populations in Germany. Could it be of importance for this information to be included, and could it be that it was somehow accidentally excluded? If necessary, I will translate the information from the Spanish article, although I am not sure that it is referenced very well. Please respond.Hoopboyjode (talk) 22:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)