Talk:History of BBC television idents

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This article was nominated for deletion on 17 December 2006. The result of the discussion was keep and cleanup.

The two main sites used to compile the idents on the article page are [1] and [2] Wikiwoohoo 19:51, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 About the images 1.1 Tagging article for cleanup 2 BBC2's 1979 ident 3 Fair use images 4 Cleanup: AfD nomination comment reminder 5 Fair use rationale for Image:CBBC 2001.jpg 6 Fair use rationale for Image:BBC2 ident 2007.JPG 7 BBC2 1974 8 Fair use rationale for Image:BBC Three in box.png 9 Image copyright problem with Image:BBC Parliament ident.jpg

[edit] About the images

Are they all strictly nessesary? Right now this seems like a "poster child" of WP:NOT "Collections of photographs or media files". To say nothing of Wikipedia:Fair use guidelines and policy. I mean the article is one paragraph (not counting the captions) and 40(!) "fair use" images. Sure it's all "on topic", but does each and every one of them really contribute significantly to the article (such as it is). --Sherool (talk) 00:22, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

This article was requested on the requested article project page. As such, it means that every Wikipedia user now has the chance to add to the images. It is currently in a basic state but will be worked on so that each ident has plenty more information attached to it. This is the reason by the write ups for each ident are sadly lacking in depth currently, they're waiting for users with knowledge about them to work on the article. Wikiwoohoo 19:17, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tagging article for cleanup

• I have tagged this article for cleanup. It currently fails to pass the fair use criteria policy. this article needs more textual content regarding history and perspective, like National Broadcasting Company logos. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 19:24, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
  • I've added lots of textual content, and removed the tag. -- Arwel (talk) 22:17, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] BBC2's 1979 ident

I've read that this was the world's first computer generated ident, not just the BBC's. Any evidence to the contrary? If not, I'll add that. BillyH 20:14, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use images

Just to make clear, as part of the AfD nomination, it was decided to remove a number of fair use images which were presented as a gallery because they violate WP:FAIR. I also nominated another article which contained nothing but a gallery of fair use idents. However, someone has added the gallery back here. My position is that the article should be reverted back to the minimal use of fair use images as needed. Rather than have a number of editors start an edit war and get this article locked, I have started debate as to what fair use images should be used here, to hopefully bring consensus and not all out war. --tgheretford (talk) 00:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

This diff shows the best number of images and which ones in particular to use. I had made sure only the main events in the history of BBC One idents were retained, others were unnecessary. Wikiwoohoo 16:06, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest that we revert to that edit, just so the article meets WP:FAIR again. I can understand why some people may want Wikipedia to be a museum for BBC idents and logos, but there are websites better equipped which specialise in maintaining television presentation history and we need to ensure that this article keeps on the right side of fair use policy and laws. --tgheretford (talk) 16:28, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup: AfD nomination comment reminder

As part of the AfD nomination for this article, the decision was keep and cleanup, but delete if cleanup wasn't taken care of according to the fair use image policy. Wikiwoohoo spent some time to address these concerns on the article (diff), but many (not all) of the additions to the article since then seem to be going against the concerns I raised in the nomination and with the closing decision. I won't nominate for AfD, but this article really needs to be cleaned up before someone else does nominate this article. --tgheretford (talk) 22:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:CBBC 2001.jpg

Image:CBBC 2001.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot 18:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:BBC2 ident 2007.JPG

Image:BBC2 ident 2007.JPG is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot 21:22, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BBC2 1974

A facelift occurred in time for the channel's tenth anniversary in 1974...

I've read the facelift occured a while later, after Christmas 1974 or possibly in very early 1975, around the same time BBC1 launched the Futura globe. Can anyone clarify this, and possibly change the above excerpt in the main article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.64.112.181 (talk) 16:35, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:BBC Three in box.png

Image:BBC Three in box.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:BBC Parliament ident.jpg

The image Image:BBC Parliament ident.jpg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check

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