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I'm not an expert on Afghanistan, nor do I want to look through all the various pages on the history of Afghanistan to be sure that the info at http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5380.htm has been incorporated into the article. But obviously there is someone around who doesn't mind working extensively on the history of Afghanistan, so just let me point out that the link above is in the public domain. So you can copy and paste at will, if need be. --KQ 04:08 Sep 12, 2002 (UTC)

Are the Islamic State of Afghanistan and the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan the same thing? --Jiang 10:22, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)

There never was an "Islamic Republic of Afghanistan." --Wik 11:57, Aug 8, 2003 (UTC)

Apparently, we have an entire article on the History of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. --Jiang 02:06, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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[edit] CIA aid to the Mujahideen

The CIA aid to the Islamic resistance during the Soviet intervention is well established and is documented in George Crile, Charlie Wilson's War: The Extraordinary Story of the Largest Covert Operation in History, Atlantic Monthly Press, 2002, hardcover, 550 pages, ISBN 0871138549

Just noting this for possible future review.. The line "The puppet government of Afghanistan responded to attacks with heavy handed intervention from the army." is probably not entirely NPOV. At that time the government was only seeking Soviet help, and had not really been replaced with one fully controlled by the soviets.


this article makes it sound like the soviet's created the government there.....and "Many groups were formed in an attempt to reverse the dependence on the Soviet Union, some resorting to violent means and sabotage of the country's industry and infrastructure. The government responded with a heavy handed military intervention and arrested, exiled and executed many mujahideen 'holy Muslim warriors'"....the mujadhideen are the one's who attacked the trade center.. theyre religious extremists and terrorists and werent fighting for the people's will, they just want the whole world to live in the 7th century and believe in their universally renounced extremist interpretation of Islam. The "dependence on the soviet union"... thats a non-NPOV way of saying they were recieving voluntary economic aide to build basic infrastructure that was up till then lacking....IF the US did it its selfless idealism....if the USSR did it then its the encroaching tentacles of an evil empire...PSH!

I would just like to note in response to the reference above to the 9/11 attacks. No Afghans were involved in the attacks to my knowledge and none of the hijackers were from Afghanistan. While the Taliban were in control of the majority of Afghanistan at the time of 9/11, one cannot say the Taliban represented the will of the Afghan people at the time. The violent response to the Soviet invasion was from the entire country and included all ethnic groups. The Taliban represented only one ethnic group and not all of them at that. Dsw (talk) 00:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Buddhism and Hinduism in Afghanistan

Something must be written about the presence of Buddhism and the Hindu Shahi rulers of Afghanistan.[1] Muwaffaq 2 July 2005 04:54 (UTC)

[edit] US support to MAK

I want to point out here (as I already did in the discussion on Al-Qaeda) that this page is inconsistent with Al-Qaeda page on whether US supported MAK, or not. Although a minor issue, I believe that this should be resolved (and I do not know yet the most plausible statement here).

[edit] Citation bragging?

What's with the citations in the intro? Do you really need names and information about people who studied Afghanistan included directly in the beginning intro text (where space is limited)? It makes the article seem like it's about academics rather than about Afghanistan. falsedef 13:20, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

The first paragraph in the intro is perfect, explaining that major people and institutions are involved in putting together the history of Afghanistan.--NisarKand 11:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, but it's bloated and needs to be trimmed down considerably. Falsedef 21:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Falsedef. The first paragraph should be an introduction of the content rather than a summary of "The Study of the History of Afghanistan". Alexkreuz 22:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree with falsedef

[edit] The Mirwas Khan Hotaki section needs to be shortened.

That section really is too long. For a short period of Afghanistan's history, it is for some reason the longest section of this article. Also, the content on the Mirwais Khan Hotaki article, is the same as here. The content here should be a shorter version. So all this section needs to be summarized and shortened because its kind of silly having about 30 years of Afghanistan's history being longer than the rest. --Behnam 06:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, the rest of the sections need to be extended and made longer so that the entire history be explained in much more details. This kind of detailed history of Afghanistan is not found anywhere else. By the way...check History of Pakistan or History of India and see how long they are.--NisarKand 11:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe that the Hotaki section should be summarized in this article and most of the content of the Hotaki section in this article should be merged into the main Hotaki article. The main Hotaki article as of right now is a very incomplete summary and should be expanded. Alexkreuz 22:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wrong informations about Afghanistan

The information about Afghanistan is not correct. First Kushal Khan Khattak was not from modern Afghanistan he was from modern West-Pakistan, from Multan (some say he was from Delhi). Another fault is that the name Afghanistan is used for all centuries of this country. The name Afghanistan is taken from the Britain word Afghanland which was describing the area of Kandahar and NorthWestFRontier. In Baburnama Afghanistan is known as the Peschawar-Valley or the western Ghat where the Afghans live and call themself Afghans. They living region took from Kafiristan to Lahor and Quetta.

Another Fault is that Ghorids, Kartids,Samanids and Ghaznawids were Afghans. They weren´t. They were Persians or turkish origine.

Please change the miss-informations. If you need help about the history just write me.

Thanks

Ps:the name of **Afghanistan** was in the later ancient and in the middle Khorassan (Country of the uprising sun) which is taken from the old languages of Parthian and the oldest iranic language of Awestan.

Plz study Baburnama or download it rom the web and search after the term Afghan. You can give your anser in the page where you can read the Baburnama and you will see Afghanistan was the Peshawar-Valley first, before the 19. century —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tajik-Professor (talk • contribs) 10:02, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

--Tajik-Professor

[edit] History Template

It has been determined by a consensus of neutral editors and administrators that the articles under the various countries listed on the Template:History of Greater Iran should receive templates specific to those countries, and NOT the History of Greater Iran template. Please do not impugn the valid use of that template by insisting on placing it on these articles. The more specific history template prevails. In this case, that means the use of the History of Afghanistan template. --Bejnar 21:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

On 2 September 2007, Beh-nam said "please actually read the article. the history of afghanistan template starts in 1747, while most of this article is before and then it was History of Iran."
It is not relevant when the use of the word Afghanistan started, that is not how the history articles of current countries are done. Editors shorting the Template:History of Afghanistan do not do so in accordance with the way that country history articles are written in the Wikipedia. We have already covered this extensively, the History of Iran is not just about the time periods where Persia was called Iran; it is not just since the invasion of the Aryans. It is about the land area that now is covered by Persia. The History of India is not just since the British arrived, it is the history of the land area that now is covered by India. Similarly, the History of Afghanistan has little to do with the use of the name, it is the history of the land area that now is covered by Afghanistan. Why is that so hard to grasp? Why do you think that so many of the history articles start out with Pre-historic sections? That is before writing, and in most cases the people who gave the land its current English name had not yet invaded. Look at the History of Iran article, and accept that the same general principles apply here. --Bejnar 15:06, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
How would you feel if the hypothetical template "History of Greater Macedonia" replaced the template "History of Greater Iran". Under Alexander it was all Macedonian, and the Greek influence persists, in some things, to this day. Think about it. --Bejnar 19:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Place of the Hotaki in the history of Afghanistan

In an edit summary for Template:History of Afghanistan, Beh-nam said as he removed the link to the Hotaki dynasty, "yes it is consistent if you actually read the article, Hotakis did not rule this area". My question to him is: If not here, then in what area did the Hotaki rule? Where did they have their capital? --Bejnar 22:24, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Mirwais capital was first in Baluchistan before he captured kandahar. His descendants moved their capital from kandahar to modern day iran.--Anoshirawan 22:27, 14 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anoshirawan (talk • contribs)

[edit] Reasons for invasion

I find it odd that among the reasons for the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan is women's rights. Surely that can't reasonably be called a trigger for the invasion. 208.54.95.134 (talk) 01:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC) JLJ 03/10/08