Talk:Historicity of Muhammad

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I killed this section because it was unreferenced and seemingly unfactual. --Aminz 00:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

This entire piece seems to have been taken over by Muslim revisionists. The point of the article is surely to detail the sceptical investigation into the historical figure of Mohamed and voracity of Islamic and historical texts in relation. It needs a major re-edit. I'll have a think. 124.181.201.178 02:23, 25 September 2007 (UTC) Borsabil

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Like many other figures e.g. Jesus and Moses there is no evidence he existed other then his religious sources. This I find very puzzling both because of the people in the region and the times he lived. I think reading this others are puzzled too. BernardZ 23:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

BernardZ, historicity of Muhammad is almost certain. It is different from that of Jesus, not to speak of Moses. We know about Muhammad more than any other person from ancient times. --Aminz 00:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Jesus was in his time a minor figure. Moses is a long time ago. Muhammad would have been neither. I find it puzzling that we have nothing outside of Islamic sources to show BernardZ 04:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

As the article says, there are non-Muslim sources as well. In any case, you should support your statement through scholarly sources. --Aminz 05:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

That reference in that article is hardly an authoritarian reference BernardZ 06:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

At least it is an scholarly source passing WP:RS requirements if not an authoritarian reference --Aminz 06:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC) In fact Muhammad or any other figure related to revelation is not a matter to dispute. The prevailing idea of Islam proves the prophecy of Quran that any other religious figure is not so much successful on both religios and secular levels.~~zikr

[edit] Qur'an in the House of Manuscript in Sana'a.

There are major differences in it between the current Qur'an and it. I have not found any scholarly references yet to this but I think we should add something about what is an incredible find here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BernardZ (talk • contribs) 05:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

I have decided to make a page on this Qur'an and maybe people can supply more details on it BernardZ 04:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

That's not the mainstream view of academics. --Aminz 02:08, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] why are...

Why are what appear to be some fairly non-mainstream opinions about Muhummad the only items under the "Information on Muhummad" section? Definitely not neutral. 72.74.16.200 01:48, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hillenbrand cite

The years given in YOUR Hillenbrand cite, 645-690, do not match those at Qur'an in the House of Manuscript in Sana'a, 790-835, for exactly the same article. This should be checked in the original article by Hillenbrand and corrected at whichever page has it wrong. ThuranX 12:47, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Propriety of the quotefarm tag

Don't see the problem, assume it's a stale tag, opening this § for discussion. Lycurgus (talk) 21:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sources for the historical Muhammad

This section states that there are:

"Non-Muslim sources written in Greek, Syriac, Armenian, and Hebrew by the Jewish and Christian communities".

However it does not go on to elaborate exactly what they are. Elsewhere in the article Harald Motzski is quoted saying:

"At present, the study of Muhammad, the founder of the Muslim community, is obviously caught in a dilemma. On the one hand, it is not possible to write a historical biography of the Prophet without being accused of using the sources uncritically, while on the other hand, when using the sources critically, it is simply not possible to write such a biography".

This suggests that there are no non-Muslim sources. Should this statement about the existence of non-Muslim sources be removed? --Pappa (talk) 13:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite

I've added a rewrite template. This article really needs some work, but I wouldn't know where to start. --Pappa (talk) 15:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)