Talk:Hiram Bingham III

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[edit] "Bigotry" section

I have some serious doubts as to the notability of this newly-added section, especially without citation. He was (as far as I know) not known for being a bigot, so I really don't think that the fact that he happened to be a racist is of enough significance to warrant mention, let alone a whole section. -Elmer Clark 08:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, as no one else has left any input, I'm going to go ahead and remove the section. If anyone feels it should be reinserted, please leave your reasons here. -Elmer Clark 01:26, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

He's a notable person, let's include information that enlarges our picture of him. Should we also delete the years he attended school in Hawaii because it's not significant enough to warrant mention? It would be worth including in an article about a famous president, for example, so I think it follows that it's worth including in this article. Regards,Rich 04:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, it definitely should not be there. It claims his son was "transformed into a hater of Jews and a Holocaust denier" - Hiram Bingham IV famously helped Jews escape the Nazis. This, plus the edits this guy made to Hiram IV's page, do not seem to be in good faith. In fact, all his edits reference one website, he clearly has an agenda. Besides the fact that simply "being racist" was a trait shared by many in his time period, and clearly had virtually no influence on his life, I have serious doubts as to whether it's true. -Elmer Clark 05:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Elmer Clark is correct about someone having an agenda. The owner of Webville.org is the owner of iSurvived.org, and from all the edits, presumably the user Webville. The editor of iSurvived.org (Kalman Brattman) is presently the subject of a significant news story which outlines how the editor of the site (with his disturbing arrest record) has attempted to destroy the reputation of various Holocaust survivors.

http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/tilove072006.html

the user Webville (who studied astronomy and doesn't seem qualified as a historian) whose only contributions to Wikipedia seem to be adding links to his site, which makes personal attacks on several survivors of the Holocaust. He has a personal agenda, and apparently has been in some legal soup as a result. The man can only cite his website as a source, all of the links he has been spamming wikipedia with should be removed considering his entire site is in question by professional historians and journalists.

During his term as Chairman of the Senate Committee on Territories, Bingham was involved in a controversy regarding an alleged rape in Hawaii, in which he expressed some sentiments that would certainly be considered objectionable by modern standards. See Thalia_Fortescue_Massie which discusses the episode though not mentioning Bingham's comments. I wouldn't regard this episode as a major notable event in Bingham's life, but if we had to determine whether Bingham was a "bigot" or not one might want to take it into consideration. On the whole, Bingham was considered a progressive, reasonable figure, at least within the continental United States. Newyorkbrad 01:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References section

Looks as though the formatting needs to be cleaned up; also, the end of reference no. 4 doesn't seem to make sense. ("pages 34-35. and is known for discovering macu pichu") --193.1.172.166 (talk) 11:52, 9 May 2008 (UTC)