Talk:Hip hop fashion
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[edit] Edits by 211.30.6.162
Hip Hop may have emerged from the poverty stricken black areas, however, hip hop fashion is strongly linked to capitalist consumption and “commodity fetishism.” (Mitchell, 1996, 85) Followers aspire to the visual style of “bling bling” materialism, being an aesthetic of wealth characterized by diamond covered jewellery. A clear juxtaposition of style is evident as bling bling is worn with baggy, oversized pants and loose baseball tops, which are said to have been derived from US prison clothes, which are issued in one size only and emphasizes Hip Hop followers outlaw status. (Mitchell, 2003, 45) Hip Hop fashion fulfils the desire of youth for conformity, as it acts as a marker of membership within a group, as one Hip Hop gang may only wear Fubu tracksuits, whilst another only Adidas.
The above was written by 211.30.6.162 and removed by the same. Maybe something can be salvaged from it. I think that the Mitchell mentioned here is Tony Mitchell. [1] Tim Ivorson 09:39, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Expansion tag
This is an important topic, that is prominent in today's society. I think it deserves a longer and fuller article than it currently has (with all due respect to those who contributed the current info). That's why I added the tag. I'm even tempted to nominate it for WP:COTW or something, but I'll give y'all a chance to add everything you know first! Its such important a topic, and there's so much to say about it, that i reckon it could even be featured article standard. Jdcooper 03:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] No mention of the demographics
Why is there no mention of any demographics (age, race, sex) that most commonly follow this fashion? 2_of_8 22:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Missing another element...
This article fails to mention that with persons like Kanye West, style has changed as well. The phrase "Gettin my Kanye on" refers to his style of dress; polo shirts and cardigan sweaters and things like that. I think that his rise in popularity and how music is invariably tied into style makes this a point to me included as well.
[edit] Sports Jerseys?
Ths article doesn't really speak on the tremendous popularity of sports jerseys and "throwback" jerseys in hip hop fashion.--Section8pidgeon 09:34, 27 June 2007 (UTC) ((Jerseys are not cool anymore everyone knows that.)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.184.59.48 (talk) 21:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Haute Streetwear
Expect to talk about Haute Streetwear in the near future..--24.122.138.4 23:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Excessive censorship?
"Us [African-Americans] will always sing the blues / 'cause all we care about is hairstyles and tennis shoes."
I'm not sure this censorship is productive. Surely we shouldn't change the lyric because it's offensive, so we must be changing it for clarity. But isn't that what hardlinks are for? Just a thought 76.210.61.17 01:44, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
- This isn't censored... The original lyric is "Us will always sing the blues"--the brackets are just to indicate who he's talking about. Calliopejen1 00:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Toronto is unimportant
"...youth living in New York City, Los Angeles, and Toronto..."; why Toronto? Where is the justification? There is no valid reference given in this article to support listing Toronto on par with LA and NYC, in having contributed to hip hop fashion.
Why isn't Philadelphia listed instead of Toronto? Or Detroit? Or St. Louis? Or Boston? Or New Orleans? Or Memphis for that matter? Surely American cities like Beantown, Philly, and Motown -- with much more heavily entrenched African-American communities than that of Toronto -- have had far more influence than has had Toronto upon hip hop culture. And within Canada, Halifax, Nova Scotia has a much older African-American community than does Toronto. Even otherwise obscure Plainfield, New Jersey has had a bigger influence than Toronto, what with George Clinton's "Parliament" virtually inventing the funkadelic sound that gave birth, ultimately, to rap and hip hop.
And then there is Chicago.
Indeed, just the South Side of Chicago alone, such as Kenwood, is more important than all of Toronto in contributing to hip hop fashion or hip hop, period. In fact, Cabrini Green itself has contributed more to hip hop than the entire region of metro Toronto. (Torontonians, if you are reading this and don't know what Cabrini Green is or means in African-American culture, please close your browser; you're wasting your time even being here).
This is just another example of something I note throughout Wikipedia: an insidious effort to make Toronto "look good". (Is this some desperate post-SARS spin?) Wikipedia is not a marketing vehicle to promote Toronto. It is so bad that I would almost suggest there is a conspiracy; for all we know, the city of Toronto municipal government has a department set up just to worm through Wikipedia articles to write positive things about Toronto.
A good example is the ridiculous Wikipedia article entitled "GTA", for "Greater Toronto Area". It is written like some 1950s Chamber of Commerce brochure; all it seems intended for is to boast how big Toronto is. Never mind that it is inherently incorrect (the claim that the GTA is the 5th or 6th largest metro area in North America conveniently ignores a standardized basis for delineating metropolitan areas; and frankly, "GTA", who cares).
In conclusion, this is why I removed Toronto from the list and added Philadelphia and Chicago instead. While it is difficult to find objective references to substantiate any city's claim to having founded, or contributing to the founding of, hip hop culture -- and I certainly am not entirely confident of the extent of the contribution of Boston and St. Louis -- I challenge anybody to prove that Toronto has had a bigger influence upon hip hop fashion than have had Chicago or Philadelphia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atikokan (talk • contribs) 02:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Photo request
We need some pictures of hip-hop clothing from the late 1970s and the 1980s. Basically any time before the present. Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
