Talk:Hip Hop Is Dead (song)
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[edit] Controversy
Yep, it's began to create some controversy. Someone needs to add it to the article. BishopTutu 21:53, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- What exactly are you talking about? --Zimbabweed 22:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- People are saying that Nas is suggesting that "hip hop is dead," or, rather, hip hop isn't what it used to be, in his song. You can figure that out if you listen to the song. BishopTutu 05:58, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Not to sound rude but explain a little more how "hip hop" is dead? Not sounding negative, for I do listen to hip hop but not a lot of old hip hop and I can't compare much from before and today hip hop is. I want to get a clearer view of what people mean when hip hop is dead. I'm 14, so I'm getting confused understanding this. I will most likely support the statement. --esanchez, Camp Lazlo fan! 22:50, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
People aren't saying it's dead. Nas's song is saying hip hop is dead. Like i previously stated, "people are saying that Nas is suggesting that 'hip hop is dead,' or, rather, hip hop isn't what it used to be, in his song." In the song, he states how he feels it's becoming commercialized and more superficial and less original. Listen to the song or go look at the lyrics. BishopTutu 23:22, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually a lot of people are saying hip hop is dead. Most of the artists and hip hop fans from the 70s and 80s have that view.
[edit] Inconsistancy
In this article it says that the song samples a cover version of "in a gada davida" however on the page for that song it states: "("Thief's Theme" sampled a cover version performed by the Incredible Bongo Band, "Hip-Hop Is Dead" sampled the original done by Iron Butterfly)."
Which is correct? Duhon December 13th 2006
The In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida article is correct Peecee1978
- If you read the liner notes from the album ([http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5117/00nashiphopisdeadproperzt7.jpg), it reads: Contains samples from the sound recordings "Apache" and "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" both performed by Michael Viner & the Incredible Bongo Band, courtesy of Phoenix Records. Used by permission. "Apache" written by Jeremiah Patrick Lordan and published by Regent Music Corp. O/B/O itself and Francis Day & Hunter (BMI). "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" written by D. Ingle and published by Cotillion Music, Inc./Ten East Music (BMI) & Iron Butterfly Music (BMI). All rights administered by Cotillion Music, Inc. (BMI). Used by permission. All rights reserved. --Zimbabweed 04:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Insults
I think Nas is dissing Mike Jones by mockingly copying his style. He says "grind and hitti Brazilian dimes from behind" three times in a row. Comments, anyone?
you mean when he slows down the beat???? maybe but not mike jones but the whole screw scene maybe even the south
- I don't think it's a direct diss at Southern Hip Hop, but, rather, it's another shot at general Hip Hop and how its changed. Klptyzm 02:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Censorship
If the article is correct, I'm interested in why the unedited version didn't make it to the album. Can anyone find any articles explaining this? The censorship itself seems to make the song self-fulfilling. - Some dude
- Not sure how this all fits, but pretty sure the radio edit played on JJJ in Australia uses Italic textbothItalic text versions of the 'hook' in diferent verses.
It's weird coz the version I heard on Youtube sounds like they play this lyric backwards or something. Anyone kno the deal with this? ------
I heard naS recorded the album version and thought it sounded better. But intitially he released the 'explicit'one on mixtapes etc. I have the album and the edited lyrics are there. I used to have the old version. i think someone tried to 'backmask'the references to guns etc. Look up backmasking if you want. I think that they had to backmask it because it wouldnt sound good with so many stops in the song's hook. hope this helps. -anon.
- The first CDS that was released had the proper version of the song. The clean version on that CDS had reversed words but still had the "murder the DJ" hook. The album, the 12" single and the new CDM all contain the same clean version of the song. There is no dirty version on any of them. In the original radio edit the word "ganja" was reversed but this is still present in the new clean versions.
- The clean versions also have very obvious editing. The first two lines of the first verse sound like they were recorded at different times on different equipment. -- Borb 14:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Why the f is the album censored if the radio stations are playing the original version? It should be the other way around. I really doubt it was intentionally censored. How are you going to remove guns and murder but still spit all this profanity? And I don't understand about it "sounding better". The original version sounded better to me and it made more of a statement against the state of hip hop by saying "murder the dj". Don't you hate listening to a radio edit of a song after you have heard it differently? That somewhat ruined the song for me.Drumac 03:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Other
This song and many others on the album / of Nas' in general use tunes from other songs. Anyone know / remember what song "Hip Hop is Dead" is based off of? cant remember it, and cant find it. The original song it is based off of is on a commercial right now, but adsongs is down, so cant use that. the ad is about IRAs, with bright, almost cartooned, flowers in the white background scene. Bigbcraig 16:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
it is to the tune of iron butterfly song-in a gadda da vida- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdFWa_OgciI —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.162.155.57 (talk) 16:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
it lists the samples in the article. Why don't you read it already?Drumac 03:58, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:NaS Featuring Will.I.Am - Hip-Hop Is Dead.jpg
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