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user:Hindutashravi: I don't know what irredentist fantasy you are operating under, but the so-called Hindutash Davan was never a part of Kashmir or Ladakh. It was shown to be a part of Chinese Turkestan in the 1909 Imperial Gazetteer Map of India. In 1857, when the Schlagintweit brothers explored the area, it was even farther from the boundaries of Kashmir than it was in 1909. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:07, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Hindutashravi: You don't have any references. You claim your citation is "Gazetteer of Kashmir and Ladakh," but who published it and where? Please provide precise references before you revert; otherwise, I will be forced to bring it up on the Wikipedia notice board. OK? Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

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Hindutashravi: There are many problems with your edits:

• You have seem to have simply copied and pasted from old accounts. Until I added the references, there were no references on this page; well, none except: Gazetteer of Kashmir and Ladak (sic)" (with no dates, publisher, title of article, page numbers etc.).
• Now that I have compiled some citations and read them, I can tell at a glance that at least some of your sentences are a direct copy and paste form H. Trotter's account (given in the reference I added to the article). Here are Trotter's words,

  "On the Karakash River, above Fotash, is a camping-ground called Sumgal, from which Robert Schlagintweit crossed the Kuen Luen Range by the Hindu-tagh Pass, estimated by him at 17,379 feet high. At the top of this pass is a glacier much crevassed and extremely steep. It is a long and difficult march from its foot to the village of Bushia, where are numerous tents and caves occupied by Kirghiz, and supplies can be obtained in large quantities. It is eight marches thence to Khotan, and the road is described as bad. The road by the Hindu-tigh Pass can only be used by foot-passengers.

And here is your version: "Robert Schlagintweit crossed this pass from a camping ground called Sumgal, on the Karakash River. He estimated its height to be 17,879 feet. At the top there is a much-crevassed and extremely steep glacier. The road by this pass can only be used by foot-passengers." Per WP:MOS, you should either quote exactly or to paraphrase adequately; in either case, you have to provide the exact reference, not (johnson:trotter) as you do.

• You seem to be using archaic terminology. You say, "The road to it leaves the Karakoram route ... and lies for two marches up the Karakash river." No one uses expressions like "two marches" any more, especially in an encyclopedia. Those expressions were used in the 19th century, especially in account of long treks, but in Wikipedia one needs distance, unless none is available.
• Finally, the biggest problems with your edits is that they claim that the Kunlun mountains were (and still are) the farthest northern boundaries of India. In fact, they never were. The Maharaja of Kashmir briefly encouraged that notion in the 1860s, but the British never took that notion seriously. In all the maps I have added to the page (except for that of W. H. Johnson, who later joined the service of the Maharaja of Kashmir), especially all the British maps from 1875 onwards, it the Karakorums that form the northern boundary and not the Kunlun mountains. So please stop asserting this outdated notion, especially when you don't seem to have any reliable references. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:29, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Too little text, too many maps

They should be removed to Commons as per WP:NOT. --Ghirla^-трёп- 00:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

The page is still a stub. I am working on adding text. So, please don't move anything anywhere. OK? Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:39, 12 August 2007 (UTC)