Talk:Hinduism and Sikhism

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April 2006 - August 2007.

Contents 1 Highly flawed content 1.1 Khushwant Singh secularist? 2 Table confusing and possibly incorrect 3 Proposed deletion 4 Hinduism and Sikhism 5 Sham 6 Very Misleading article 7 Yes very misleading

[edit] Highly flawed content

The content of this page is very misleading and the author's of the page has selectively used flawed and highly refuted work of some people like Khuswant Singh, Harjot Oberoi and W. H. Mcleod. I have objection to the content and intent of this article. I'll wait for some time for the original creator of this page to come and talk for their choice of words and citations on this article, after which this article will be edited.

• Khuswant Singh is not an authority on Sikhism, his work is flawed and many genuine Sikh scholars have academically exposed his work.
• Harjot Oberoi was removed from the his position of Sikh chair for his highly erronous work, he continues from behind the scene to spread misinformation.
• W. H. Mcleod is more of a missionary than a historian. His thesis, which was later published in the form of book had thesis committee members who had no knowlegde about Sikhism. Its like one presenting and passing a thesis presetation on Quantum Physics in front of thesis committee which does not even know anything about conventional physics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by A. S. Aulakh (talk • contribs) 22:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

There is rarely one main author of any article on Wikipedia, every article is edited by many different authors, sometimes thousands. You can find who made certain edits by browsing the article's History. As for your objections, they may be valid. If you believe those sources are unreliable, feel free to be bold and remove them and any disputed statements that are supported solely by them. I don't know anything about these sources myself, but if someone happens to think they are important and reliable, they can bring it up again here. Thanks for sharing your concerns. -kotra (talk) 02:49, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, will do as time permits. Currently, removed the following unreferenced propaganda "However, Sikhism, like Hinduism is a religion which can be practiced regardless of language or culture and turbans are also worn by Hindus (and Muslims) in many parts of India. Nevertheless, this propagation furher fueled the need of the Sikhs to form a separate identity.". —Preceding unsigned comment added by A. S. Aulakh (talk • contribs) 07:39, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Khushwant Singh secularist?

The line in the article reads, "Secularist Sikh writers like Khushwant Singh have written that despite innovations ...". Please provide information how it was decided that Khushwant Singh is a secularist. Who did this research and what are the references? At what platform was this research (KS being secularist) published? If he himself claimed that, please provide his claim in quotes and also give references. Thanks, ---- A. S. Aulakh^Talk 19:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Table confusing and possibly incorrect

Some of the entries in the table are confusing. Particularly the line

12. Use of force accepted if other means fail

This has "Sex-methodology accepted. Ahimsa." next to it for Vishnavism. What does this mean? Vishnava are not total pacifists, as the Gita says, when it is correct to fight then fight. And what does sex methodology have to do with it. This is not the only line I don't understand, but certainly the strangest -- Q Chris (talk) 13:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed deletion

[edit] Hinduism and Sikhism

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[edit] Sham

Either you are a Hindu or a Sikh. One can't be both. At the most a person can be liberal minded. But that sort of a person would be regarded as a spiritual person and not a religious person. There is considerable difference between the two.

There are no similarities between the two religions. Eventhough a lot of persons who were born Hindus converted to Sikhism, it does not bring the two together. If any similarity exists, it is between the thought and beliefs of two individuals or a group of persons, but not between these two religions. Ajjay (talk) 16:22, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

You cant be Hindu and Sikh? Wow thats amazing. There have been plenty of people who go to both a Mandir & Gurudwara. And there was a time in India when people were Hindu and the oldest mail was a Sikh....So you cant be both? I consider myself both. 71.105.82.152 (talk) 22:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Very Misleading article

This article is alarmingly misleading. The last two lines of the introduction manipulate information to convey what is incorrect. For example, the footnote for "intermarriage between Hindus and Sikhs has been considered acceptable" cites the quote "A Sikh's daughter must be married to a Sikh." Also, the last line's reference sources are not valid! The 2nd source for it, a page about a Hindu shrine, mentions one important Sikh visitor. Nothing on the sources even imply that Hindus and Sikhs both visit each site proportionally. I will clarify the inaccuracies here; if you have a reason to change then respond first please. Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 01:56, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yes very misleading

Present Day Scenario, The Truth Hindus in all(in particularly Hindu punjabis) lose no chance in humilating and cracking jokes on Sikhism & Sikh community in any gatthering or function....They have have taken over from were what Mulims used to do befor Indias Partition —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.181.121.67 (talk) 06:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok first of all Sikhs crack jokes on Hindus to. Lets not get all innocent. Secondly most Hindu Punjabis go to a Gurudwara or believe in some form of Sikhism so dont act like they hate on Sikhs cus they dont like them. And third, this article is not mis leading, its building a case for people who believe in both Hinduism and Sikhism. If you dont believe in the unity of these two religions, then thats your opinion. But there are many people who believe that Hindus and Sikhs are pretty much the same (with some differences). After all the Gurus did teach us to unite. 71.105.82.152 (talk) 22:08, 4 June 2008 (UTC)