Talk:Himyarite Kingdom

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According to A Historical Atlas of the Jewish People, edited by Eli Barnavi:

"Some Christians regard this [anti-Christian warfare] as part of a Jewish attempt to dominate the world. Yet the kingdom was not Jewish, and its monotheism was but an expression of Himyarite independence."

This same book also mentions that the war was fought in the name of "The Merciful One", which suggests to me that Himyar monotheism was more proto-Islamic then Jewish. Can anyone out there back some of this up with a non-POV source?

The deity named in Christian and Judaising/Jewish Texts is Rachmana/n, the merciful. Summary: C. Robin in the periodical Arabia 1, 2004. Himyarite monotheism was Christian and Jewish whereby the nature of the latter is a question of definition since the Jews in Himyarite Arabia appear unaware of the Talmud. Basic attributes are also lacking. p.y.

I'm taking out "if he was not simply Judaising" because the sentence is nonsensical.--Dr.Worm 03:49, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conquests

Where do those conquest dates come from? I'm researching the Aksumite king GDRT right now, and during his reign (c. 200-230), Himyar, Saba, Qataban, and Hadramaut were all independent states (he was allied with all of the others against Himyar at one point), though Hadramaut was conquered by Saba.
ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk 06:56, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Thats a good question. I have had the same problem, look here [1]. Do you have good books? or are you searching from Internet? It seems to me that the archeologist don't have themselves clue about the dates. Jidan 07:51, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Structuring and "westernization"

As it seems the article was heavily edited on the 27th january 2008. The result was a loss of connections to other articles on the subject and other languages. I dont think this was done on purpose and have thus reconstructed some of the lost information and links. All in all the article seemed to have a structure that had a more islamic approach to history and a very personal style. As an article in the english language WP I have restructured it more to western style. Yet I have tried to keep the information, such as references to the Koran, and do not think it a good idea to simply delete things. The section of the tribal history may seem irritating for western eyes to be part of the history of a kingdom, rather expecting lists of kings and battles, yet for others it may be a very important aspect of history. I strongly recommend to keep this information (somewhere).

I have left some of the new paragraphs untouched and have not checked the sources. Please would someone knowledgeble look at the article and edit it with care. --T.woelk (talk) 12:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)