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[edit] Original Film Poster (Image:Highlander 1 poster.jpg)

Ey up!

This artwork is for the Ocean Software computer game Highlander and not for the film it is based on. This artwork is by Bob Wakelin, his signature can be seen under Connor's shield. I have e-mailed the artist who also confirms this. Cheers, XtC of ExoticA
12:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Clearly, we will need something more substantial to base any removal upon. Provide it here, please.
Meanwhile, here are the pics that have been used this far:

Image:Highlander 1 poster.jpg

Image:Orig.highlander.poster.ital.JPG.jpg

Where are the other two image files, and why can I not find them in the history? I am going to be royally pissed if someone opted to speedily delete them without discussion, and my ire is fearsome to behold.:( - Arcayne (cast a spell) 10:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The second image is the official poster for the film's release. Someone please place it back into the inforbox, as I cannot get it to fit. As well, someone warn whatever adventurous soul that removes it again will face my editorial wrath - Arcayne (cast a spell) 10:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Ey up!
Why did I remove the image? Well, I did try to discuss this on the image itself on July 31st, but no one responded. Next I posted a comment here on the August 9th and waited... No response. Although I removed the image from the Highlander page I did place it on the Ocean Software page - but now that's wrong too!
I guess I wrongly assumed that this wiki was about everyone taking part? Didn't know there was such a dictatorship! Anyway, with regards to citing my sources just take a look at this gallery of artwork provided to us by the original artist as an ongoing project that I am maintaining.
Ban or block me if you must, was just trying to help! Cheers,XtC of ExoticA
14:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I think my repsonse to you was pretty harsh, I apologize for it. I think what upset me more than anything else was that a primary image was removed without replacing it with another (which is kind of a no-no, as it is rather hard to track down the prior image). The image currently in place (l'immortale) is in fact the film poster for the movie, and I think the summary and reasoning for the image are on target, but please, feel free to check it out.
Again, I apologize failing to assume good faith on your part. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 19:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
upon seeing that XtC said that it was for the game cover I updated the actual image. the previous image is still in the system under this link. But we should not use the Italian poster even though it may look nicer it is not the original American poster for the films release. This only matters since the film was released in the US first and it is general policy in Wikipedia to use the original version. If an older version is found just update the image at Image:Highlander 1 poster.jpg. Oh and since these images have copyright status we cannot display them in the talk page and only in the article itself, otherwise we could be violating US copyright laws :-) -- UKPhoenix79 03:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
You might want to review the Fair Use criteria for movie posters, and you might in fact take a look at other FA film articles. I copied the rationale from a few of them. Unfortunately, I have never seen the b&w poster for Highlander, and am unsure of its provenance - it may be a latter-day mock-up. The one from Italy is 4-color, more inviting, and within fair-use criteria to use. As well, it was used, with English-wording in the cities of Chicago and New York at the time. I remember being a kid bragging to my friends that I had a poster that they were all trying to get - and it was from another country to boot.
Please leave the image in place. If you disagree that it is a better image (for whatever reason), we will have to cinsider this a content dispute, and bring in neutral parties to evaluate the matter. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 03:51, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Taken from Wikipedia:WikiProject_Films/Style_guidelines#Image

The image presented in the table should ideally be a promotional style-A or teaser one-sheet (27" x 41") poster for the film. Failing that, a DVD or a video tape cover may be used [...] For films that have multiple posters, limit the infobox poster to either the teaser (first run) or style-A (occasionally second run) version.

if you follow the link provided you will see that this is indeed the original US style-A version [1]. What you are putting up is the incorrect Italian Style B version. This is an American movie that was first released in the states. If you were to look at other foreign films like the original Japanese Godzilla you will see that it is the Japanese poster not he US poster that was released years later. Life Is Beautiful got many academy awards in the US and they use the Italian poster, The Triplets of Belleville was a French animated feature that had no French spoken throughout the film, only a few songs like the title song was in French, also released in the US, a French poster is used.
I hope that I have made my point :-) I know that you mean well but I am keeping with the policy in using the poster that was used first in the country of origin. So I hope you don't mind but I'm going to revert the image again to the American original version. If there is an issue with this, even though I believe that the wikipedia policies back me up on this one we should take this to the WikiProject Films talk pages either Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Films or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines. It seams that this user User:SkierRMH helps people with image disputes also. Please don't take offense at my actions as none is intended, but please if there is an issue we should either keep the US original version up or remove both images until this is resolved :-) -- UKPhoenix79 07:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I would just like to say that it is not imperative to use the original poster for the main identifying image for the article's subject. If the poster was shown some time in the past, and it is not immediately conclusive which one is most appropriate, as opposed to the poster for Attack of the 50 Foot Woman, then I would suggest using the DVD cover for the film instead. I think that there are two -- a US one and a UK one. It seems that either DVD cover would be more recognizable by today's audiences, since there doesn't seem to be any indication that the original posters were renowned. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 04:34, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Yea but that gets into the problem that the DVD covers for this film are rather lousy... Directors Cut and 20th Edition DVD are horrid, yes horrid covers, just not worth mentioning. Though I must say that the UK dvd cover is rather nice. But this is going against the agreed upon style guidelines set forth, so I doubt that this would be a good solution any way. I mean check out The Wizard of Oz (1939 film) poster they used the Original version one that I've never seen before. I mean there are many famous posters out there for this movie from the vhs and tape posters to re-release posters and they followed policy and used the first one. So if there is another original Teaser poster just upload it to Image:Highlander 1 poster.jpg if there is not we should use the original American Type-A theatrical poster. I hope that helps and if you think this is in error we should go to the WikiProject Films talk page and see what others think :-) -- UKPhoenix79 07:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
No, please do NOT do that. Do not overlay a picture on top of the one previously uploaded. That removes the presence of the original picture if there is a problem with the one uploaded as a replacement. As well, the Summary of the pic will be incorrect, as it was created for the original picture which you are overlaying. No wonder I couldn't find the previous image....grrrrr. Instead, upload a brand new pic, and create a brand new summary for it.
As well, when you refer to the American Type A poster, are you referring to the b&w image that is probably not from the original theatrical release? If so, then, yes, I have a problem with using that, as its provenance is at best suspect. It is not the American Type-A theatrical poster, and the very link that you posted pointing to the image doesn't identify it as such. It does however, identify the Italian versionas a type A. The same poster was released in the UK and US with text in English. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 08:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
If we are going to fight to the death over this, we might need to find an agreeable alternative - even though i am utterly loathe to set aside an original artwork poster because of the foreign language available on AllPosters or wherever. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 08:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok since there is still a dispute I have removed the images since neither of us can agree on the image. The poster is really the poster from 1986 and is indeed the American Type A version and the version that you keep on putting up is the Italian version. Can we at least agree that you are putting up the Italian version? Do you have a copy of an original American version? I have spent a couple of hours scouring the net even to the official highlander forum and I have not found ANY American versions of that poster. It seams that the Italian version is preferred because it was one of the best looking versions created for this film, but the Italian version was released over half a year after the original theatrical release in America. And not only that it was the Italian Style B version here is the Italian Style A version. I'm sorry but everybody seams to think that this is the right poster. I don't know why your insisting that this is a remake when EVERYONE who makes a living from selling posters thinks that this was the original US version that came out in 1986. But I am going to put this up in the Wiki Films project to get other opinions. I have removed both images and I would kindly ask that we both avoid re-inserting images until this is resolved! If you cannot find a link to the talk page let me know and I would be happy to give you the link so that you can plead you case. Thanks -- UKPhoenix79 09:40, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok I have placed the conversation here Please put in your input in to get some assistance. :-) -- UKPhoenix79 10:11, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Highlander Main Pic

Here is the pic I'm proposing. The Immortal Edition cover of the DVD is apropriate as it is the defintive version out on DVD. It also captures the essence of MacLeod and the Highlander theme. It shows MacLeod, his katana, Glenfinnin, "Quickening" Lightning, New York City.
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FrankWilliams 01:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I think the image is too crowded. Artistically, the person putting it together should be beaten with a baseball bat. In all fairness, it does show McLeod and his katana...towering over a melange cite of New York and what, China? Beware the 300' tall French-American running down the streets of NYC, beheading people! IEEEEEE! Run away! lol :)

Seriously, I saw that image, too. It really isn't all that expressive. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 02:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Yea I still think that the original poster should be used. I left this alone thinking that it might be discussed more by other users, but since none have joined I'll take it to the WikiFilms highlander group :-) -- UKPhoenix79 07:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, there should be a place for the image, as it is a DVD cover:

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[edit] DVD Section

I've added a DVD section including a gallery. These are all referenced. The images support the info in the article. I've not added any Region 2 info as I know nothing about it. FrankWilliams 20:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Please read WP:FU, specifically that part that says "Acceptable use", where it lists "Cover art". If you have no critical commentary on the image, then you cannot use it. It's simple eye candy. NONE of those DVD covers meet FU criteria.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out WP:FU. I have added critical commentary regarding the pressing of the various DVD iterations and the documented issues with the quality of each of the versions. FrankWilliams 14:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

"felt by fans?", generally unverifiable. Finding a forum where some fans lash out about a DVD cover is not significant coverage, because you cannot determine if that number of fans is a representative sample of all the fans. Also, none of that commentary actually discusses each of the DVD covers, at least it doesn't say that. It talks about what the difference in quality is, per what the fans think.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Again thanks for your feedback. I've cleaned up the review information to be more precise. I also added a covers only section that comments on the covers themselves. Thanks again. FrankWilliams 18:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


Unfortunately, I think you might have misunderstood Bignole's informed advice. You need to provide cited references as to the artwork and cover information from reliable references (and sellers touting anamorphic this and that are not reliable, or notable to the article). What you have presented in the article is primary source information - ie, citing yourself as a source - which I am sure you recognize is not an acceptable method of attribution in Wikipedia. It cannot remain in the article. As well, since the DVD covers are not referenced by any citable information speaking specifically to them, they cannot remain either. I will be removing them now. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 17:53, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your interpetation but I don't think its correct. Please stop removing all of my edits just because you don't agree. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.200.237.167 (talk) 01:36, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

After you sign in, you might wish to consult with an admin (any admin - you can pick one from here). Until you do so, please do not add any further cruft involving DVD images. Thanks in advance. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 18:36, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citation needed

Since the vast majority of the article requires citation, can I suggest replacing the overabundance of "citation needed" tags with broader templates found at Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup#Verifiability and sources? —Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Done. --TOOTCB 20:25, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DVD versions

The DVD section says that "Highlander has been released to DVD on four occasions in the United States", but only three versions are mentioned: the 2000 single-disc edition, the 2002 double-disc Immortal Edition, and the 2002 single-disc edition. What was the fourth?

Another problem: I can't find anything regarding a 2000 edition anywhere on the internet. I do, however, find plenty of sites referring to an edition that was released in either 1996 or 1997. Perhaps the year of release was mistaken? Or is this 96/97 edition the missing fourth edition? (DT29 23:15, 5 November 2007 (UTC))