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"Inventing a scene that was never in the movie, he claimed that Cooper's character ground his badge underfoot at the film's end." Not exactly. I've seen one version of the movie where he just let his badge fall on the ground, and another version where the scene doesn't happen at all. Art LaPella 21:58, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

My major at university (in Sweden) was "History and technique of the motion picture". I have seen the movie "High Noon" at least 10 times on television and at the cinema here in Sweden. The scene at the end were Cooper pulls his badge of, drops it on the ground and steps on it was ALWAYS there! It does belong to the original movie. However the scene was strongly criticised by among others John Wayne. Its quite possible that it was changed and even completely removed in later versions for TV screening(as to not upset the sponsors).(LarsS 06.11.07 11:12EET) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.115.111.227 (talk) 09:13, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Cooper threw his badge to the ground in disgust at the townsfolk who had refused to help him, a reference to how Hollywood stars had remained silent while the lives of innocent people were ruined. That is why John Wayne, the number one supporter of McCarthyism, hated "High Noon".

Contents 1 Trivia removal 2 Check this 3 Fair use rationale for Image:Highnoon.jpg 4 Helen Ramirez 5 Reception 5.1 Edits from Banned User HC and IPs 6 Will's former lover, an "implied madam" -- bias?

[edit] Trivia removal

Took out unsupported "Some speculate that High Noon provided inspiration for Akira Kurosawa's The Seven Samurai." Clarityfiend 17:50, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I think they're getting it a bit mixed up with The Magnificent Seven, which was a remake of The Seven Samurai. --212.146.46.247 19:13, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Check this

Here a remark concerning the caracter of the citizens described in the film - I never found any remark of that kind elsewhere.

The name of the town is "Hadleyville"(see name-plate of the railway station). Well - Mark Twain wrote a story titled "The man who corrupted Hadleyburg". It is a story about citizens who lose interest in defending their common interests and retreat to protect only their very egoistic ones. If this is not a wilful allusion of the film - then tell me the probability of being a pure unintended incident (one to how many millions ... ?).

Article states "... has just married pacifist Quaker Amy (Grace Kelly) and is retiring at the end of the day...". I'll watch again, but I'm pretty sure that Kane has retired. There is the scene of hanging up the gun and badge, and there is dialog, IIRC, about the town being without a sheriff for a day. If Kane had not retired, he would be bound by obligation to act and the movie would be far less interesting. Whogue 04:46, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

In my defense, when I wrote that, it had been a looong time since I saw the film. But if he had already retired, why did he still have his badge (to throw in the dirt afterwards)? Clarityfiend 02:33, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

SPOILER: Because after he rode out of town... he stopped... felt guilty came back and since there was a day before the new sheriff would arrive he took back the badge... whether that makes it legal or not isn't too important. No problem getting it wrong... the important thing is that we correct it. gren グレン 09:45, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I did a quick rewrite which hopefully sorts out the factual issues and makes clear why the townspeople wanted him to leave. gren グレン 09:54, 15 March 2007 (U

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Highnoon.jpg

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[edit] Helen Ramirez

In the US edit the character of Helen Ramirez can be heard with an accent, in the german dubbing it is gone (I don't know about other localized versions, but assume it's the same). Does anybody know, if Katy Jurado actually had an accent that strong or whether she was instructed so, to strengthen the hispanic origin of her character?

Why is Carl Foreman (see Wiki entry "a revolutionary socialist and member of the American Communist Party") described as a "liberal" and John Wayne described as "right-wing"? That's some pretty disingenuous language.

So socialists and communists are "liberals", I'm sure Stalin and Mao would have a wry chuckle at that. And John Wayne is "as far to the right as you can get" Really? Pinochet? Franco? Peron? What do they teach you in film school anyway? Orwellian Doublespeak?

Wayne supported the likes of Pinochet and the US foreign policy that put him in place. It was clear what resulted from this, but the staunch conservatives of the time--and I daresay today--are wholly unapologetic. Whether or not Foreman did or would've also classified himself as a liberal is debatable; what is clear, however, is that John Wayne and his ilk made no such distinctions, that is, between Commie, Pinko, or Liberal. If being a heartfelt supporter of the McCarthy era tactics and right-wing dictators doesn't make one extreme right, then I don't know what does. signed, davidly

High Noon obivously means different things to different people. No matter which side of the fence you are on it delivers a message. Saying whether this message is right or wrong is up to the individual. As for peoples political positions, well it makes for entertaining trivia, thats about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Royston.J.H (talk • contribs) 21:35, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

High Noon does indeed mean different things to different people, but its writer Carl Foreman went on record as saying he wrote it as an attack on the Hollywood blacklist. Therefore it would be fair to call this a liberal movie. John Wayne and Ward Bond understood this, although Howard Hawks disliked the film for different reasons. (Smythloan (talk) 21:37, 21 November 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Reception

The reception section only contains negative comments. Did nobody like the film at the time ? How did it get put up for so many awards then ? -- Beardo 11:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I enjoy the film to a certain extent; however, it's pure fantasy. People in these communities were always ready to take up arms for the protection of their communities. In many cases, they had to in order to preserve lawless communities. This theme pops up from time to time in Westerns, and it's mostly pure bunk. Makes for good drama, I suppose. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.168.198.34 (talk) 12:22, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edits from Banned User HC and IPs

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[edit] Will's former lover, an "implied madam" -- bias?

The article currently describes the Helen Ramírez character as "Will's former lover, an implied madam" [emphasis added]. I find this possible, but very unlikely, and i question its inclusion without some sort of justification.

When she's planning to leave, Helen Ramírez needs to sell her "shop". That indicates she's a shopkeeper, not a madam. Concerning her past, the hotel clerk (owner?) says she had been a friend of the marshall, and before that a friend of Frank Miller, the outlaw. That certainly suggests relationships between her and three men (counting the current relationship with the deputy), but to me that indicates only that she had different lovers, not that she was "an implied madam".

When she confronts the deputy about his immaturity, Helen Ramírez forcefully describes her former relationship with the marshall as based upon her admiration for him as a man, and there's no hint of any role as a madam. She tells Mrs. Kane that she hasn't spoken to the marshall for a year, which suggests an intensely personal relationship that went bad, not some sort of relationship between a madam and her customers. The deputy takes the suspected spark that still exists between Helen Ramirez and the marshall very seriously— enough to start a fight— indicating that he believed it had been a personal relationship, not a professional one. Helen later tells Kane's wife, "I hate this town. I've always hated it. To be a Mexican woman in a town like this..." That isn't necessarily the view one might expect from a woman who had done business with much of the town's male clientele, but it certainly could be consistent with the view of someone victimized by prejudice because of daring to have personal relationships with caucasian men in the community.

I suspect that we may still be witnessing some subtle prejudice in the inclusion of this claim in the article— someone cannot conceive of a personal of relationship between Gary Cooper's character and a Mexican unless it is a "professional" relationship. I contend that this claim is not based upon any context offered within the movie. I strongly advocate removal of the "implied madam" claim unless it can be justified in some way. I just watched the movie with this question in mind, and i don't think that i missed anything. Richard Myers (talk) 21:11, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Re Helen Ramirez selling her "shop"... having just watched the movie I noticed when one of the bad guys rides up to the saloon to get some "liquor" the sign outside the saloon reads Ramirez Saloon. This is probably the "shop" they refer to, to be genteel, in the movie. Being the proprietor of the saloon implies she may have had some "ladies" working for her that helped bring in revenue by other means than buying drinks. Technically this would make her a madam but not so blatant as to imply she ran a brothel. As such she no doubt had relationships with a number of men over time. Halfscot (talk) 06:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Some corrections. Helen Ramirez chooses NOT to have her man help Kane, so there is something she can certainly do, but perhaps out of malice, does not do. Amy shoots the third, bald gunman in the back, not in the face —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.38.230.2 (talk) 21:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)