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I've marked the entire section on Australia for cleanup. I'd copyedit the thing if I had any idea what it was trying to say. Seriously, guys, I know machines that can write more comprehensibly than that. --Nicholas Tam 12:21, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

I've had a go at editing this paragraph. I'm not sure of the history but at least it's readable.PaulWay 22:43, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I think this whole article could use a serious cleanup (and have marked it). There's good info here, but the language reads like a not-quite perfect translation, and a lot of the facts need more detail -- don't have time to find them all, but one example is the line "In those days, the Japanese army was strongly pushing to begin the war because Germany was winning." What dates? Who was pushing? Why? Why did Tojo care? There's a lot of lines all over the article that have similar problems.

I do think the lead is quite good as is, but I wasn't quite sure how to mark everything expect that. -- Fang2415 12:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to see more info about what those war crimes were. Also add some information on the Baatan Death March, and the treatment of people in the Phillipines after the Japanese invasions,

What is his right-wing grand daughters name? --Reagle 23:52, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Yuko Tojo 69.181.82.221 22:34, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Why is Tojo in English order?

Because he was a World War II figure, Tojo is best known in English order. (The English version of Mainichi Shimbun uses English order [1]) WhisperToMe 03:18, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

"6,300" for "Hideki Tojo" "1,860" for "Tojo Hideki" WhisperToMe 03:21, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] After WW II

My paternal grandfather happened to meet General Tojo after World War II. Grandpa was stationed at Sugamo Prison as a guard following the war for a brief time. One day he happened to come across Tojo in the prison yard. Grandpa asked him if he was Tojo, who replied that he was. Tojo asked Grandpa where he was from, when Grandpa told him that he was from Iowa Tojo remarked that he had been to Iowa once.

JesseG 04:42, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] 27th Prime Minister of Japan?

Surely Tojo can't be the 27th Prime Minister of Japan? On the relevant articles his predecessor Fumimaro Konoe was said to be the 38th and 39th while his successor Kuniaki Koiso was said to be the 41st.

Looks like someone used the wrong kind of list. Japanese PMs are listed in number of terms, unlike, say, US President which is listed in number of people, which is why Fumimaro can be both 38th and 39th; However, Tojo was the 27th PERSON to be PM. I've changed it. --Golbez 18:29, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Why Tojo became the prime minister?

"Why Tojo became the prime minister?" Seems like an odd thing to have as a subtitle. I think at least the question mark at the end should be removed, unless there is something I'm missing.

I've changed it to "Rise to prime ministership", which is a bit clumsy but is at least good English. Saforrest 16:55, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Meaning?

Any guesses on what this is trying to say?

He was also the real commander-in-chief at charge of Japanese Secret Services before and Pacific War period in direct link with Koki Hirota why leading secret services in Black Dragon Society and others Japanese secret societies.

Saforrest 16:55, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

This meaining preciselly,why Hideki Tojo poses direct command over Japanese Secret Services,since your period of Commander in Kempeitai Forces in Manchukuo(also leading Manchukuo secret services in time).later continuing your administration of such units during your military career and Prime Minister period,untill 1944.certain sources linked at he with Koki Hirota(who if leader in Black Dragon Society) since short times before at your Prime Minister times and during first stages of Pacific Wartimes.

For example if mentioned why Tojo and Hirota,if meeting in Black Dragons Hq in Tokyo,for readed the informs provided by agents in secret group(related with Japanese Military Secret Services),and analized the general strategy in future war against United States, other western powers in area and Soviet Union.Hirota was one of leaders why managing the secret services in Black Dragon Society.

In same place Tojo making some comentaire respect at future of japanese policy when he gaining the power for convert in dictator of Japan,and making the war against America,in presence of proper Hirota,also theirs discuses abouth if adequate time for realzing the strike against U.S. in 1941 or 1942 in these period.

  • -Reader 72

What is the relevance of the comment regarding Tojo's favored brand of toothpaste? Is this some sort of in-joke, or just random vandalism? --Halloween jack 21:41, 18 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] What is THIS doing in here?!?!?!

What is the purpose of this sentence? "It is not known, however, which brand of toothpaste he preferred, possibly because of brazen attempts by obscure interests to suppress such inquiries."

He always looked like a Crest guy to me, but I may be wrong --KingZog 23:18, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tojo the sculpture

The article says that Hideki Tojo was an ultranationalist thinker. And by clicking the link, you find out that he was a bronze sculpture! Surely he wasn't; we should change the link to somewhere else. --Acepectif 18:19, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tojo's Responsibility

I remember watching a BBC documentary examing the extent of the Emperor's responsibility for the war in Asia & the Pacific. The documentary suggested that Tojo was ordered by his fellows to take the heat for the war and die so that the Emperor could be spared trial. The Americans were apparently also implicated in the conspiracy, and forced him to make false confessions in court. I haven't added this because I don't have any material references to link to; incriminating the Emperor is apparently taboo in Japan.Kurzon 22:12, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Peace deal with the British

On 16 February 1942, the British diplomats secretly proposed a peace deal with Japan. A possible agreement was that if Great Britain formally recognised the authority of imperial Japan over Northern China and Manchuria, the Japanese would give Britain sovereignty over the Malay Peninsula and Singapore.

Are there any sources regarding this bit of info?

[edit] When did Tojo lost his job as PM in 1944 ? July 18 or 22 ?

The main text says Tojo was forced to resign on July 18, 1944, yet the infobox under his picture says he was PM till July 22. Which date is correct ? I wonder if it took four days to get a replacement, so Tojo was still PM officially for 4 extra days after his resignation ? -- PFHLai 14:26, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Military service

Following is a passage from the current article-- 2dLt (Infantry), April 1905; was graduated from War College, December 1915; official duty, Switzerland, August 1919; Major, August 1920; official duty, Germany, July 1921; LtCol, August 1924; Colonel, August 1918; Regimental Commander, 1st Infantry, August 1929; MajGen, March 1933; Commandant,"Rikugun Shikan Gakko" (Military Academy), March 1934;

To me this is poorly worded to the point that I'm not entirely certain what it's trying to say. Also, the date as listed states that he was promoted to Colonel two years before being made a Major. Should this correctly read August 1928? Also, what about his promotions to 1LT and CAPT? -- stubblyhead | T/c 21:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Will Translation

The Will translation at the bottom looks like it was done on some computer program and thus appears very poorly done.I think we need to get a native japanese speaker to translate it into English.

I agree. While I'm not a native Japanese speaker, I do some J-E translation work. I'll have a go at translating the corresponding Japanese wiki portion, and perhaps someone more eloquent with English than I can give it the proper voice.--Eggmann 12:56, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Can't make head or tail of it! Strength to your translating arm. --Adam Brink 16:04, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:MILHIST Assessment

A fairly well-developed article, lots of sections, picture, infobox... Military service section needs clean-up, as does the war crimes "counts" section. No references listed. Overall length not nearly good enough for such a major figure. And does Tojo get macrons? If so, that needs to be addressed as well. LordAmeth 01:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The entire Tojo article is Biased and Mostly wrong.

Guys, I am pretty new to Wikipedia, but having read the Tojo Hideki article, it is fairly obvious that whoever wrote it has heavily, heavily tried to whitewash the role of the Emperor. The Emperor is shown as being generally 'anti-war', encouraging his subordinates to negotiate. Certainly this was the standard story that benefitted both the Americans and the Japanese in the post-war period. However, more sober analysis has shown convincingly that this view was basically fiction.

I'm sorry I can not be more helpful, as I am simply too busy to write this myself. however, the simple fact is that the parts dealing with the emperor (and whatever nonsense was there about "yamamoto's plan to invade australia" needs complete and total revision, or at least to be flagged as biased. my basic test of wikipedia is "would this pass in an 8th grade textbook?" the answer here is absolutely not.

Please be more specific instead of just generalizing, so the editors can adjust any unsuitable content. And be reasonable, as few controversial sections does not mean the whole article is "worthless", as you have stated. AQu01rius (User | Talk | Websites)  19:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I added references from serious authors and from the Shôwa monologue itself. The specific chronology of the imperial conferences is well known and is in opposition with most of the precedent stuff. I kept the paragraph about the poor Tôjô crying even if I have never read anything about that but, without reference, it should be deleted. I had to delete this incredible assertion about Shôwa authorizing the withdrawal from China AND Manchukuo(!!!!). It had no reference and it is contrary to EVERY known primary source. --Flying tiger 23:58, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent additions

While I appreciate the new passages' attempt to more neutrally present the Emperor's role, the old text had the virtue of flowing better. Someone well-versed in the subject should try to integrate the two versions, hopefully producing a more coherent result. The whole article, of course, could do with some improvement. Biruitorul 19:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Strange section

Someone has added a strange section called «Will» at the bottom of the page. It is written completly out of context with a vague reference. I presume it is a declaration of Tôjô after the surrender of Japan. As there is no mention of time and place, I simply do not see its relevance. I consider it is better to simply delete it. If an user want it back, please add a context. --Flying tiger 14:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tojo, Tōjō, Tôjô?

just want to point out that his name has been spelled three different ways throughout the article. Sometimes in one sentence spelled one way, and in the very next sentence spelled another. Not very professional in my opinion, I would go and change it if I knew which one to use... --Rogutaan 12:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Use "Tojo" WhisperToMe 04:41, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
    • At the very least, I got rid of the Tôjô because that is completely against WP:MOS-JA. I try to stay out of macron debates involving people names, though. Neier 09:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

The official spelling is the second one. "Tojo" is wrong and I presume "Tôjô" was added by users who could not write the japanese symbols withtheir computer... --Flying tiger 13:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

"Tojo" is now the guy's name is most commonly written, so use that. WhisperToMe 15:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference

The "Yomiuri Shimbun" has an article on Tojo in a series called "War Responsibility Verification" at www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/features/0007/. Article 9 is "Main blame lies with Tojo". 16 July 2007

[edit] World War 1

What was his involvement with the Japanese military during the first world war? --NEMT 18:58, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Capture, Trial, and Execution list of nations

Under the Capture, Trial, and Execution Section, it is listed as waging war against the British Commonwealth (Hong Kong). This fails to mention Burma, Malaysia, or Papua New Guinea, which were attacked as well. Rucha 04:17, 20 September 2007 (UTC) User:Rucha58

You're quite right and the article is incorrect: count 31 dealt with "a war of aggression and a war in violation of international law, treaties, agreements and assurances against the British Commonwealth of Nations". It wasn't restricted merely to Hong Kong. I've removed the reference to Hong Kong. Jimmy Pitt (talk) 22:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Tojo" as a derogatory name

I was perusing Judge Dredd comics that were compiled from the mid-1980s, and I noticed that the character would call an Asian villain "Tojo" as a slang name. It appears to originate from Hideki Tojo, and I believe I've seen in other older works where the term "Tojo" was used as a derogatory name used for any Japanese person. Any ideas of what to make of it and if it should be included here or in an article about racism against Asians? I'd be happy to scan the images from the Dredd comic. --Bobak (talk) 20:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

That would be good, except if that would be the one and only reference to him in popular culture, it would be one short and unnecessary section =/ --Hamster X (talk) 09:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tojo as a hated figure

Should mention that in the U.S. during WW2 Tojo was seen as the Japanese Hitler, and was widely caricatured and derided in propaganda material. Japan was sometimes called "Tojoland"... AnonMoos (talk) 14:07, 18 February 2008 (UTC)