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If anyone has/can get any, I'd love a pic or two of one of thier rifles to use on the page. I'm also stuck for what other content to add to this one.... --негіднийлють (Reply|Spam Me!*) 08:59, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

WIki God's,

How do I mark the following statement as un-substantiated: "However, Hi-Point is considering a change to its current warranty for the carbines, due to the high return rate of weapons with modified stocks from ATI, which cause damage to the Hi-Point Carbines" As far as I know, this opinion has not been publicly released by MKS or, Beemiller/Hi-point. The only record that exists is a person on a forum relating a telephone conversation.

Note: I'm not saying it's not true; but, as stated above, MKS/Beemiller has made no press release or official statement regarding this claim.

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.149.104.220 (talk) 03:39, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

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What would be the best way to add these?

[b]General Information[/b]

  • www.mkssupply.com
  • www.hi-pointfirearms.com
  • “Gunsmith’s Creation now infamous; maker of rifle used in massacre

feels pride, pain”. Walsh, Sharon. The Washington Post. Washington: Apr 30, 1999. pg. E01.

  • www.impactguns.com/store/hipoint.html
  • www.promagindustries.com/highpoin.asp
  • www.doingfreedom.com/gen/0103/bargainpistols.html
  • www.amfire.com/php/container.php?content=newsPost.php&newsPostID=124
  • “Complete guide to compact handguns”. Gangarosa, Gene. p. 240-1.
 ISBN:  0-88317-203-8
  • www.vpc.org/studies/deadhip.htm

[b]Model CF .380[/b]

  • www.mkssupply.com/handgun_details.asp?Gun=380comp

[b]Model C9[/b]

Model A

  • www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5449/fireoverhp.htm?200528

Model B

  • www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5449/fireoverhp.htm?200529

[b]JC 40 S&W[/b]

  • www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2900/2963.htm
  • www.mkssupply.com/handgun_details.asp?Gun=40SW
  • www.michiganmilitia.com/SMVM/weapons/hipoint40.htm

[b]995 Carbine[/b]

  • www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/0100/181.htm
  • www.mkssupply.com/carbine.asp
  • “9mm Carbines: HiPoint takes on Ruger in Self-defense showdown”.

www.gun-tests.com . February 2002.

[b]4095 Carbine[/b]

  • www.mkssupply.com/40_Carbine.asp
  • “A Pair of Hi-Points”. Guns & Weapons for Law Enforcement.
 V16, #8.  November 2004.  Pg 34-38 & 86-87.
  • “Hi-Point 4095 Carbine”. American Rifleman. March 2005.
[url]http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:IPo5h2MKf-UJ:www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3623/is_200503/ai_n11849403

+american+rifleman+4095+carbine&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1 [/url]

[b]Handgun Drills/ Troubleshooting[/b]

  • www.kuci.org/~dany/firearms/all_drills.html
  • www.sightm1911.com/lib/tech/FTF_FTE.htm
  • “The same – But different?” Clint Smith.

American Handgunner 2006 Tactical Annual.

[b]Model JHP .45 ACP[/b]

  • www.mkssupply.com/handgun_details.asp?Gun=45ACP
  • www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=80
  • www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/hipoint_100605/index.html

[b]Disassembly[/b] [i]995 Carbine[/i]

  • Gun Digest firearms assembly/disassembly Part 4: Centerfire Rifles.
2nd ed.  Pages 179-187.  ISBN:  0-87349-631-0. (Note: there have been some changes in the design since this book was published…)

[b]Targets[/b]

-- wolf_from_wv

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NPOV? This article seems a little too "press-release" like for me... Chris 13:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


POV, Definitely! Full of unsubstantiated, subjective comments such as: "compared to a Jennings, the Hi-Point shines as a decent quality handgun". That's like saying "compared to a Trabant, the Yugo shines as a decent automobile"!

Also, the article contains comments such as "the carbine is popular among knowledgeable firearms collectors", and that they "have seen service in various law enforcement agencies".

Another questionable line is that the Hi-Point sacrifices aesthetics for "ease of use" and "price". That's nonsense. There are literally dozens of handguns and carbines that are aesthetically pleasing, which are just as easy to operate and far more ergonomic. Nor is the aesthetics of a handgun design necessarily a constraint on manufacturing costs. This is all simply opinion on the part of the author(s)

These statements are nebulous to say the least. Apparently the statements are intended to illustrate some measure of acceptance of Hi-Points as worthwhile firearms, but actually add nothing of concrete worth. The article's references include firearms forums, and worst of all, "gun-rag" articles, both of which are notorious for ill-informed opinions and in the case of gun-rags, hype for hire.

The article smells of manufacturer/marketer/kool-aid influences, if not outright authorship. All of the subjective opinion should be stripped out and simply describe the Hi-Points as priced for the low end of the firearms market.

PS... I'm not exactly up to speed on how this "talk" section functions. Its not like your typical forum reply, so excuse me if I did not follow the process correctly. pjmcmulle

While there are some POV issues here, you seem to have a LOT of anger that tends to imply you have personal issues with Hi-Point. Perhaps you would like to disclose your personal bias issues? 75.172.7.128 (talk) 04:49, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ATI stocks

There was a statement in the article, referring to how ATI stocks damage Hi-Point carbines, and, how Hi-Point is considering changing the warranty because of this. Statements like this, need to be cited, from reliable sources. I've removed it for now, but, if one can find a source for that, we can re-add it. SQLQuery me! 12:34, 14 April 2008 (UTC)