Talk:Hey! Say! JUMP

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This article was nominated for deletion on 24 September 2007. The result of the discussion was keep (after merge).

Contents 1 Non-Deletion Justification 2 Information Regarding Temporary Unit Hey! Say! 7 3 Merging of Hey! Say! 7 and Hey! Say! JUMP 4 Fair use rationale for Image:Heysayregular.jpg 5 Fair use rationale for Image:Ultramusicpowerregular.jpg

[edit] Non-Deletion Justification

Why this page should not be deleted:
Hey! Say! JUMP is a new debuted group from Johnny's Entertainment - which means it is a senior group just like KAT-TUN, NEWS, Kanjani8 and the like. This alone should warrant it's non-deletion. Besides that, they are singing the theme song for Japan's World Cup Volleyball Relay for 2007. They are also an expansion of Hey! Say! 7, a gold status single holder, charting at least #20 in the 2007 Oricon Yearly Charts as of 12 September 2007, and was #1 in Oricon Weekly Charts for a week.
- Akaru 17:17, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

As a counter arguement, the relevent guideline, WP:MUSIC, especially the relevent section titled "Criteria for musicians and ensembles", has twelve criteria that would allow a band or group to have an article here at wikipedia. This group meets NONE of those criteria. However, since this is being contested, I will move the discussion to WP:AFD for further comment. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 17:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Disagree, I find 4 points in that criteria that this group meets, including:
* Has had a charted hit on any national music chart - Hey! Say! was #1 in the Oricon Japan charts
* Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country - Hey! Say! is certified GOLD by the RIAJ
* Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a compilation album - Is performing the theme song for Japan's Volleyball World Cup effort, etc.
* Has been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network - Had a whole 40 minute timeslot dedicated to their debut announcement just today, besides another appearance in another music program barely 2 hours later
- Akaru 17:38, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey Say 7 or Hey Say may be notable bands; I make no comment on that. However, that does not make Hey Say Jump notable by extension. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 17:41, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

That is true; Hey! Say! 7's achievements do not verify Hey! Say! JUMP's notability. However, leaving Hey! Say! 7's accomplishments aside, Hey! Say! JUMP as individual group, quoting Akaru,:
- Is performing the theme song for Japan's Volleyball World Cup effort, etc. [Criteria 10]
- Had a whole 40 minute timeslot dedicated to their debut announcement just today, besides another appearance in another music program barely 2 hours later. [Criteria 12]
These accomplishments within 2 days of their official debut are proof of Hey! Say! JUMP's notability.
This in addition to the fact that:
- Members Ryosuke Yamada, Nakajima Yuto, Yuuri Chinen, Yuya Takaki and Daiki Arioka have all been involved in Hey! Say! 7, a group which is and has been approved by Wikipedia as a notable group. [Criteria 6]

Overall, Hey! Say! JUMP meets criterias 6, 10 and 12 of the WP:MUSIC, fulfilling Wikipedia guidelines. Thus, this page is of a notable topic which should not be deleted. Frozencrumbz 07:44, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

So I recieved a message just then, informing me that this page is, yet again, nominated for deletion. If one will read the arguement by put forward by Akaru 5 months ago, I think it's pretty clear as to why this page is of notability. I honestly don't understand why this debate is happening all over again... Frozencrumbz (talk) 06:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Information Regarding Temporary Unit Hey! Say! 7

Do not consider me harshly, but this article contains information which is not relevant to the article topic itself. We must recognise that Hey! Say! JUMP did not exist until the 24 September 2007; it is different from the temporary unit, Hey! Say! 7.

Think of it this way: in Wikipedia, we would not put information regarding the Johnny's Jr. ex-group, 4tops, in the article of NEWS; even if one of its members, Tomohisa Yamashita, became a NEWS member afterwards.

I will remove those parts now (as in, the information regarding the temporary unit, Hey! Say! 7).

Unless the Hey! Say! 7 article merges with this article, history and information regarding temporary unit Hey! Say! 7 prior to the Hey! Say! JUMP debut should be listed in its own respective article and not, in this one.

If you disagree and feel that this is an incorrect thing to do, feel free to discuss it here. Frozencrumbz 08:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merging of Hey! Say! 7 and Hey! Say! JUMP

I hereby disagree to a merge. There is too much information regarding the Hey! Say! 7 temporary group (which had existed prior to the formation of Hey! Say! JUMP). A merge right now may cause confusion, even to, perhaps, the authors of the Wikipedia pages themselves.

Besides, would it not be a better idea to consider a merge after a decision concerning the deletion of the Hey! Say! JUMP page is finalised? Frozencrumbz 08:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

• I proposed and support the merge because I think that by merging the articles, it would be more appropriate as Hey! Say! 7 is now a subgroup under Hey! Say! JUMP. As such, that was why I included Hey! Say! 7's history in Hey! Say! JUMP's page, as Johnny's had personally said that Hey! Say! JUMP is an expansion of Hey! Say! 7 in a way. I feel that it'll be easier to explain the situation by merging both articles, then indicating the name change of Hey! Say! 7 to Hey! Say! JUMP, adding of 5 new members, and then the division of this new Hey! Say! JUMP into Hey! Say! BEST and Hey! Say! 7. This way, we can preserve all the history of Hey! Say! 7 as Hey! Say! JUMP's, as well as properly differentiate the new second generation Hey! Say! 7 and the old Hey! Say! 7 temporary group.
  If the merger happens, the question of notability won't even be a question anymore, and thus the deletion of the page shouldn't be taken into account into consideration of this merger.
  - Akaru 18:16, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

• Hmm, I daresay you have a point (yes, I can be easily swayed).
  As long as the merged page can be carried out in a clear and orderly manner and will not confuse those reading the article, I guess that'll be alright.
  
  Personally, I just wish Kitagawa Johnny didn't make things so confusing... Frozencrumbz 02:19, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

• • Merged, tell me if you've any objections to how I did it. Akaru 13:35, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Heysayregular.jpg

Image:Heysayregular.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:20, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Ultramusicpowerregular.jpg

Image:Ultramusicpowerregular.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 02:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)