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[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 Closed
The above named arbitration case in which you were named as a party has closed. The remedy is as follows: The remedies of revert limitations (formerly revert parole), including the limitation of 1 revert per week, civility supervision (formerly civility parole) and supervised editing (formerly probation) that were put in place at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan shall apply to any editor who edits articles which relate to Armenia-Azerbaijan and related ethnic conflicts in an aggressive point of view manner marked by incivility. Before any penalty is applied, a warning placed on the editor's user talk page by an administrator shall serve as notice to the user that these remedies apply to them.
You may view the full case decisions here.
For the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 00:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Leo/Constantine
Thankyou, but I wouldn't call an auction firm a source. I assume the names on Armenian coins are Armenian? Were they ever in Latin or Greek? If the name on the coin is transliterated "Gosdantin" then so be it, but it should be translated Constantine, because it is in fac the same name. Again I ask, do Armenians refer to the first Christian emperor as Constantinus (transliterated into their alphabet) or do they call him Gosdantin? I do not oppose Hetoum, Smpad, and Toros as long as alternatives appear somewhere in the article, but Leo and Constantine are established usage and they appear frequently enough in English-language Crusade references. They are translatable and should be translated. We don't speak of Henri II of France and Felipe II of Spain, we call them Henry and Philip. But thanks anyway, I will look into that and I plan to check some sources in my library for common usage soon. Srnec 03:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
- (Constantine and Leo are English, not Latin names.) Why don't you answer my question about Constantine the Great? Srnec 04:22, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
- Exactly. A non-Armenian gets an Armenian name in an Armenian encyclopaedia. As in Armenian, so in English: a non-Englishman may get an English name in an English encyclopaedia. Srnec 04:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Civility parole ban on Kirovabad pogrom
For failing to maintain civility [1] as required by Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2, you are notified that you are banned from editing the Kirovabad pogrom for a period of twenty-four hours, beginning as of this posting and to end at 04:38 (UTC) on Wednesday, August 29. Please be more careful to maintain civility with other editors, including in your edit summaries. Thank you. Seraphimblade Talk to me 04:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
- Very well, I see that you weren't in the first case, and that's what ArbCom requires, so consider this the required warning. I'm really not sure what to tell you if you don't realize that accusing another editor of being on drugs is uncivil, but it most certainly is. Basically, speak in polite terms about content, avoid discussing your opinion of other editors at all (or conjecture about their activity), and you should be fine. Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
- Please don't get me wrong, if you think someone's incorrect, you have every right to disagree with them. Just stick to discussing the content rather than edit warring or discussing the editor, and you'll be fine. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:10, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
- Also, while I realize I wasn't clear on that, and so I won't do any blocks or the like at this time, please note that as you've been notified, you are considered to be covered by the sanctions from Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan, including the one revert per week per article limit, and the requirement for any reverts to be accompanied by a rationale posted to that article's talk page. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
- Please don't get me wrong, if you think someone's incorrect, you have every right to disagree with them. Just stick to discussing the content rather than edit warring or discussing the editor, and you'll be fine. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:10, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
In answer to your question, I'm afraid that I do have to find that you've edited in an aggressive and nationalist manner. You've been falsely referring to the edits of others as vandalism and "silly", [2], [3], [4], [5], removing citations to the New York Times and Time as "dubious" [6], and revert warring all over the place. Given this, you may be placed under the arbitration remedies, this is your notice that at this time you are covered under them. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:29, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
- You may well be right in everything you say. (I honestly don't know.) Regardless of that, however, the edits you reverted are not vandalism, and you have been aggressive and uncivil with other editors. Vandalism is, for example, blanking a page, inserting random profanity or nonsense into it, or the like. It is not a poor edit, it is not an edit you strongly believe is wrong, and in fact it isn't even an edit which really is wrong. Calling such edits vandalism is highly uncivil and aggressive, it is better to simply state the reason why you disagree. Similarly, the NYT and Time are not "dubious sources", they are highly respectable ones. If you believe they've made an error, submit what you've found to them. If they publish a correction, we can certainly cite that and make changes as appropriate, but it's not our job to second-guess or "correct" reliable sources ourselves. That is original research, citing what a source says as it says it is not. And regardless of how right you think you are, you may not edit war. We've got dispute resolution for a reason. Get a third opinion or article RfC, ask for a mediator, any of those things, don't just keep reverting. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:27, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] barnstar
First thanks a lot for the barnstar Hetoum, that means a lot to me. It might not look like that, but it is so easy to assume good faith, get rid of all the, let me say bullshit against the current citizens of countries, we are possibly filled in with. A lot of people were killed, it is very normal for you to feel animosity, especially when someone does not fully accept what you firmly believe in. But you should not let that feeling control you all the time. Some people deserve it, fortunately most people don't (the situation is possibly worse on Wikipedia due to human psychology). Just try and have an open mind; what the 'other side' is saying might be something that you would not definitely dislike (too many negatives, I know), that person might be feeling similar things. DenizTC 02:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Quick Armenian Question
Hi, I was just working on restructuring the lyrics section of the article on the Anthem of the Armenian SSR, and everything went swimmingly except for one thing: since I don't know a word of Armenian and can't read the alphabet, I have no idea what the word for "chorus" is (as in the chorus or refrain of a song), and I couldn't find it on the Internet. I tried some Armenian-English dictionaries, but because of the many meanings of the words "chorus" and "refrain", I didn't fully trust any of my results. As a result, I've had to leave the English word "chorus" in the Armenian lyrics in the article. If you could give me the word in Armenian, that would be superb. Thank you very much in advance! -- Keith Lehwald 17:46, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for answering my question! I've now made the necessary changes in the article, and it looks just like it should based on the precedent at the featured article National Anthem of Russia. Thanks again! -- Keith Lehwald 18:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Blocked
Blocked: 24 hours for violating your one revert per week limitation imposed per Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 and reported here. Thatcher131 22:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Blocked again
Blocked: Two reverts within 24 hours on , both after your previous block expired [7] [8] in violation of the 1 revert per week limit imposed at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2. Blocked for 36 hours. Thatcher131 14:22, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Armenian Barnstar of National Merit =
Barev! I'd like to have the Armenian Barnstar of National Merit. But how could I? I wrote different articles about Armenia in the italian wikipedia, and I created the Armenian Portal in italian. Here is my Italian page, where you can see my contributions: Utente:Erodotos84 Merci! - Utente:Erodotos84 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erodotos84 (talk • contribs) 13:58, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Armenian Genocide - Armeniapedia link being attacked
Folks, it seems the integrity of Armeniapedia as a valid source is under attack on the Armenian Genocide article. One Turk simply questioned it, and the very same day another user immediately removed it without any discussion. Now these 3 are preventing the reversion to add the link, which as I state there has possibly the largest collection of digital documents on the genocide. It's amazing to me, and I hope some of you are actually around to vouch for the site, as these folks don't seem to have actually even visited the site, or really care if it's of any value, instead asking irrelevant questions like, "what if there was a Turkopedia, would we include that??". Your input would be appreciated. --RaffiKojian 17:16, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Help
Hello Hetoum I
I just have seen a picture of Nerses II in the English article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_national_awakening_in_the_Ottoman_Empire . Could you help me to copy and paste it into my newly created German article about Nerses II. Varjapetian? ---> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerses_II._Varjapetian I have no clue how to do this.
