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[edit] Request for Help

The Hershey Bears are a storied hockey team and all they have on wiki is a default stub. That's sad. If any one is versed in the Bears history, I welcome you to expand this. There's also almost 70+ seasons of records to plug in. Wink Wink ccwaters 30 June 2005 02:53 (UTC)

[edit] Year-by-Year Scratch

Finished and transfered to article. ccwaters 13:00, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Maroon?

nosenuggets- I'm pretty sure the uniforms are brown, not maroon. Unless you think chocolate is maroon colored. Chicago Wolves? Maroon. ccwaters 11:18, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Hrm. I would say maroon myself, but then again since I moved from Springfield five years ago I haven't seen an AHL game (heavy sigh) and for all I know Hershey might have changed the uniforms the same way they went to that new (gag) cartoony logo. RGTraynor 19:11, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, its debatable... http://www.hersheypa.com/events/hershey_bears/multimedia/photo_gallery/index.asp Maroon is a dark RED for automobiles. But if the concensus is maroon, I'll put it back. Looking around the minor leagues, the newer logo could have been a lot worse. Think about a really mean looking Hershey Kiss on skates. ccwaters 20:05, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
I would rather not, thanks! (growls, shaking a goalie stick in your general direction) RGTraynor 21:26, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ownership

The Bears are owned by the privately held Hershey Entertainment & Resorts Company which operates all the Hershey related tourist type stuff. Its not a division of publicly traded The Hershey Company, whose sole business is making food. Ultimately, Milton Hershey's estate (The Hershey Trust) owns all of entertainment company and is the majority stockholder of the candy company. REF: http://www.hersheypa.com/town_of_hershey/mission_statement.html

[edit] Random edits

Ok... there's been a few random contributions to the article from obvious Hershey followers. Please add factually correct history info in the "History " section. That is what it is there for. Please. The fact that there's nothing there is a travesty. This storied hockey team deserves more than that and it deserves more than random POV/misleading drive-by contributioms. Maybe the booster club could help? ccwaters 23:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Whoever keeps deleting my paragraph referring to the team's market, please stop. Unless you are from south-central PA, you have no business on this page. I am from Lancaster, stay away from my team. I provided useful information that is supported by Wikipedia.

KnoxSGT 21:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

1) No one "owns" or has rights to any article. 2) Keep it encyclopedic. Naming every town within 40 miles is pointless. Futhermore, including the Bears in categories for such towns is misleading. 3) I looked at the Lancaster paper. No Bears articles. 4) Colors are not proper names. Don't capitalize them. 5) Don't plagarize. ccwaters 01:11, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Changes

For one the names of colors in every other professional team on this site are capitalized. I did not plagerize, as I put the history in my own words. Your version does not even tell much of the history at all. If no one owns articles, then why do you take it upon yourself to revert back to your version when changes are made. I will report this if you continue. Everyone has the right to change info on this site. Also look at the GIANT Center's capacity, as it matches the population of the town of Hershey. There's no way the AHL would place a team in a location unless it had a population of at least 200,000. That is why I incorporated the other cities in the area, because it is our team. I gather that you are not from PA and therefore do not know anything regarding this. Stick to your own local teams and I will stick to mine. Also if you look at lancasteronline.com, the Lancaster Newspapers site, then you will find 152 articles about the Hershey Bears in Local News.

I don't see "the names of colors in every other professional team on this site are capitalized". I admit there are a handful with some poor style choices. Please don't propagate them further.
Compare your edit to the official site's history write up. Taking someone else's copy and changing a few words around is still plagiarism. I encourage you to contribute truely original content to the article.
I fully aware of the size of the town of Hershey. Every team draws from the surrounding metropolitan area, not just specifically the host city. Call it the "Harrisburg metro area" or as the Census officially calls it Harrisburg-Carlisle metro. Listing every nearby town is needless. 200K is the minimum? Recent additions include Binghamton (45k), Peoria (112k), Worcester (175k).
Check your 152 results at the lancaster paper: there's actually only 3 unique articles related to Hershey Bears dating back to 11/25/2005. Its doesn't seem like a great source for info on the bears. Why send interested readers on a goose chase?
Where I reside has nothing to do with this. This isn't some turf war. Check out WP:HOCKEY ccwaters 18:48, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Beyond that, CC is one of our local AHL experts (I'm another, for my sins), and he has done a great deal of work creating viable team pages for many minor league teams. I certainly endorse his presentation of Wikipedia's rules, and think you should consider simmering down a bit. You don't "own" the Bears' article any more than I "own" the Falcons' or Indians' articles. RGTraynor 19:11, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I understand the rules regarding plagarism, but a history of a team, nation, state, city, etc. is a series of events. A series of events cannot be written in too many ways without watering down the details. If I cannot use the official team site's history, where else could I retrieve info. I noticed another person's comments about the lack of the team's history and wanted to contribute what this person was looking for. The existing page only has about half, and when I tried to add the other, I am plagarizing.

12.208.197.248 19:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not questioning your intentions. I think we can all say the Bears deserve something more like this article: Springfield Indians. That, however, is no excuse to plagiarize their website content. An entire book was written about them: I'm sure you can whip up some original copy if you tried. ccwaters 20:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2006 Playoffs Article

ccwaters why is it that you keep deleting my article about the 2006 playoffs and calder cup championship?

I'd venture to suggest he gave his reason when he put in "Ok... the past three months have more copy than the previous 70 years... can we develop that a little more first??" It's a valid criticism; for a professional hockey team of the Bears' lineage to have such a scanty article is a disgrace. I'd write one myself if I was comfy enough with my knowledge to do so (as, plainly, I was with the Springfield Indians and Springfield Falcons articles), but if we don't get something going I might do so anyway. RGTraynor 05:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Team points record?

Hopefully I will be able to help this article and answer questions since I am a native of Hershey and a Bears fan..

Here is what I need help with, mostly the 1987-88 season has been talked about due to the fact that they held the team's total points record, 105. See here:http://www.hersheypa.com/events/hershey_bears/pdf/weekly_release/mar26.pdf Left hand side, under "More History on the Horizon." According to the year by year chart here and at Hockeydb.com, in 1987-88 Hershey earned 103 pts. Now if you give them 2 pts for the two OTLs, it equals 105, but I am unsure as to if this was done in the AHL at the time...

P.S. Heh, I don't know as I would not be born for another 4-5 months.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smurfer2 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

  • The problem appears to be a simple typo. I have corrected it. Flibirigit 03:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hershey Bear market, etc, etc.

In response to the comment on my userpage:

We are not documenting privileged information. If I'm missing something because I don't reside in York, please cite. But please refrain from telling me what I articles I have a right to contribute to based on my personal proximity.

I have no doubt that there are fans from Lancaster or Harrisburg or York in the Giant Center. I also have no doubt that the River Rats draw from Troy, Schenectady, or even Glen Falls. Or that the Senators has fans in Northeast PA. Or that Norfolk draws from Hampton Roads, Chesapeake, Virginia Beach or Portsmouth. Or that Lowell, Worcester, Springfield, Bridgeport, Hartford, Providence and Portland draw from their neighboring sprawl. Shall I cross reference all of these in their respective articles?

USA Hockey represents the US in IIHF sanctioned tournaments. The local high school hockey team represents said high school. IE... "This is the best squad of hockey players our population can produce: do us proud." . Professional sports teams in the US do not "represent" their markets. They are almost always a for profit entertainment endeavor that imports outsiders to play for a salary. In turn that salary is financed by ticket/merchandising/etc sales from individuals in the surrounding community. Their performance on the ice is by no means an extrapolation of the communities value. I would say the VAST majority of that 1,535,995 (Or is it 1,192,572 [1]?) would disagree your statement. ccwaters 13:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Joke?

Is Chocolate B`ars a joke? 24.83.3.54 19:53, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Not a joke, the team played at the Hershey Ice Palace under this name in the EAHL for the 1933-34 season. Centpacrr 21:16, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:HB2.PNG

Fair use rationale completed. Flibirigit 04:19, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

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