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How does it come that Herod the great (Herod I) namnes his child by his third wife Mariamne II to Herod Philip II, and then his child by his fifth wife Clepatra of Jerusalem to Herod Philip I? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.233.122.235 (talk • contribs)

Good question. It is because it is incorrect. Phillip II is not his son. See this link http://virtualreligion.net/iho/herod2.html. I don't know what to do. It seems like this is going to be a ripple effect of wrong information. I don't know enough about the subject nor do I have the time to do the research, nor the desire to all the work this may involve. I may put up tags, if I get the time, though. Hopefully others will come along. (You didn't sign your comment, who are you? :( )- Jeeny ^Talk 20:40, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

My findings suggest the two have just got put the wrong way round at creation stage, and that Herod Philip I may be 1 and the same with Herod II anyway. I am amending accordingly. Neddyseagoon - talk 23:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Response to Questions Above:

The numbers after the names of Herod Philip and Philip get confused because the names get confused in the mistaken belief that all the surviving sons of Herod the Great were all named "Herod". Herod Philip is the only child of Herod the Great that is actually named Herod. He had three (possibly four) brothers before him who were not Herods (i.e. Antipater, Alexander, Aristobulus, and maybe Boethus). The confusion stems from the idea of using "Herod" as an appellation, like "Ceasar", in the aftermath of Herod the Great's death. It's more likely the case that, as ethnarch and tetrarch, Archelaus and Antipas used "Herod" as an appellation. Readers of the bible often fail to make the distinction between Herod Philip and his younger brother Philip because they are both mentioned in the gospels. But Josephus is clear that they are two separate people. One was the father while the other was the husband of Salome, she of John the Baptist fame (her mother Herodias, was the daughter of their brother Aristobulus). Suffice it to say it's like a man named Billy having an older son named Billy Jack and then a younger son just named Jack. The use of numbers just confuses the issue and, in the final analysis, is not relevant. Herod Philip was never a tetrarch. In the accurate accounts which make the distinction, he abdicates before ever ruling and what was supposed to be his tetrarchy was integrated into Archelaus' tetrarchy (thus making him an ethnarch) which, upon Archelaus' removal by the Romans, became a Roman "state" ruled directly by a Roman procurator or governor, e.g. Pontius Pilate.Pvsalsedo (talk) 01:42, 27 May 2008 (UTC)